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A conversation with David and Ben from the Acquired podcast

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Guests: David, Ben

Notable books mentioned: The Power of the Mind, Henry Flagler's biography by Les Sandiford, Titan by Ron Chernow, Creative Selection by Ken Kosienda

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The Power of the Mind

The host mentioned 'The Power of the Mind' as a gift for Charlie Munger, highlighting Munger's impressive memory and intellect at the age of 99. Th…

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Henry Flagler's biography
Les Sandiford

The host discusses Henry Flagler's significant impact on Florida's development and his complex character as depicted in Les Sandiford's biography.…

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Titan
Ron Chernow

The host discusses the challenges of interpreting narratives from sources like biographies, particularly when considering biases. They mention 'Tit…

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Guests: David, Ben
Episode summary
David Rosenthal and Ben Gilbert — of the Acquired podcast — invited me to San Francisco for a discussion on our mutual obsession: spending every waking hour studying the history of entrepreneurship and sharing those lessons on our podcasts. ---- Follow Acquired in your podcast player here or at Acquired.fm This episode is brought to you by: Tiny: Tiny is the easiest way to sell your business. Tiny provides quick and straightforward exits for Founders. Get in touch with Tiny by emailing [email protected]. [3:00] David’s time with Charlie Munger [5:30] Henry Flagler after Standard Oil [8:30] What makes a great biography, and how to capture all sides of complex characters? [11:00] Studying history is a form of leverage to achieve success [13:00] How do we figure out what the true story is for an episode we're doing? [20:30] Silicon Valley should focus more on durability than growth [21:30] How David got into reading biographies and podcasting [25:40] What were each of their influences before starting Acquired and Founders? [35:30] How to suck less over time [37:30] What motivates, Ben, David, and David to get better? [45:00] Dead ends: business model changes, paid podcasts, changing the name to “Adapting”, and Senra's “Autotelic” [51:30] “You’re not advertising to a standing army, you’re advertising to a moving parade” [56:00] Comparison of podcasting business models [1:00:10] Senra’s insane Readwise "healthy twitter" habit [1:04:30] Is it possible for the ultra-wealthy not to mess up their kids? [1:14:30] The fleeting moments you get to spend with your kids [1:17:00] The value of building relationships with best-in-class peers [1:19:30] How the book publishing industry works [1:28:45] How to differentiate yourself as an investor in 2023? [1:38:30] The greatest historical examples as content marketing [2:02:00] The best businesses are cults (and Senra starts one on the episode) [2:07:00] Senra gives feedback to Ben and David on Acquired episode format [2:15:30] Steve Jobs’ 1997 product matrix [2:17:00] The moral imperative to market products that help people [2:23:00] Ray Kroc and Steve Jobs: deeply flawed founders [2:23:30] The founders we idolize are world-builders [2:28:00] When yachts and jets are underpriced assets [2:32:00] How to compete when money is cheap vs. when there are real interest rates [2:39:30] When Ben and David have fixed broken episodes in post-production [2:44:30] Why masters of craft are so interesting to study [2:45:30] Should you listen to advice? [2:51:00] David’s first job detailing cars [2:52:30] The Cuban experience immigrating to Miami [3:01:00] College entrepreneurship programs [3:04:00] Ben’s experience learning UNIX as a kid [3:08:30] David remembers Tim Ferriss guest lecturing in college If you have scrolled this far and still haven't followed Acquired in your podcast player please do so here! ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Mention sentiment
Highly Recommended(10)Deep Dive(9)Passing Reference(4)Critical Analysis(1)
Audience signals
Individuals interested in personal development and mental acuityReaders interested in American history and influential figuresReaders interested in entrepreneurship and narrative analysisDesigners and product developersIndividuals seeking to understand intrinsic motivation in their workIndividuals seeking lifestyle improvement

Books Mentioned

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Best for Individuals interested in personal development and mental acuityOften cited around Charlie Munger's intellect

I bought him this special edition of the book called The Power of the Mind.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in personal development and mental acuity
Key quote: I had brought a gift for him because he talks about like, um, Rockefeller all the time. I bought him this special edition of the book called The Power of the Mind.
The host mentioned 'The Power of the Mind' as a gift for Charlie Munger, highlighting Munger's impressive memory and intellect at the age of 99. This reference serves to emphasize the importance of mental acuity and lifelong learning.
ASIN: B08YHYRZZS
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Best for Readers interested in American history and influential figuresOften cited around Henry Flagler's biography

I got him this special edition, uh, centennial edition version of Henry Flagler's biography.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in American history and influential figures
Key quote: You read that book and you're like, oh, humans have no limits other than the ones we put on ourselves.
The host discusses Henry Flagler's significant impact on Florida's development and his complex character as depicted in Les Sandiford's biography. The mention of the book serves to illustrate how Flagler's ambitious nature and controversial actions shaped the state, highlighting the duality of his legacy.
ASIN: 1561644676
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Titan
Ron Chernow
Best for Readers interested in entrepreneurship and narrative analysisOften cited around bias in storytelling

There's no way if we read Titan that we could tell, did this actually happen?

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in entrepreneurship and narrative analysis
Key quote: What I care about is the lessons I can learn from the clean narrative, not does the fact pattern – if you had all the facts in totality, did it necessarily mean that it – you know, this was premeditated?
The host discusses the challenges of interpreting narratives from sources like biographies, particularly when considering biases. They mention 'Titan' to emphasize the importance of extracting lessons from narratives rather than verifying every detail.
ASIN: 0679438084
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Creative Selection
Ken Kosienda
Best for Designers and product developersOften cited around design philosophy at Apple

Did you guys ever read Ken Kosienda's book, Creative Selection?

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Designers and product developers
Key quote: Ken has a great line in the book where he's, like, demoing for Steve is, like, asking questions to the Oracle of Delphi, except the Oracle of Delphi would, like, respond with a riddle.
The host mentions 'Creative Selection' to highlight the iterative design process at Apple, particularly under Steve Jobs' leadership. The book provides insights into how product development was approached, emphasizing the importance of clear communication and demonstration.
ASIN: 039913896X
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Flow
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
Best for Individuals seeking to understand intrinsic motivation in their workOften cited around importance of intrinsic motivation

The guide of flow yes it's it is an activity that you do for the sake of itself.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals seeking to understand intrinsic motivation in their work
Key quote: the idea is like he's not doing it for money he's in a different game he's doing it for the sake of itself
The host mentions 'Flow' by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi to emphasize the concept of engaging in activities for their own sake rather than for external rewards. This reflects the host's personal journey of pursuing podcasting despite financial uncertainties, highlighting the intrinsic motivation behind their work.
ASIN: 0061339202
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Best for Individuals seeking lifestyle improvementOften cited around impact of Tim Ferriss

The speaker mentions being a big fan of Tim Ferriss's podcast and how 'The 4-Hour Workweek' changed their life.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals seeking lifestyle improvement
Key quote: 'The 4-Hour Workweek' changed their life.
The host highlights the transformative effect that 'The 4-Hour Workweek' had on their life. This mention serves to emphasize the book's potential to inspire significant lifestyle changes.
ASIN: B0031KN6T8
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Best for Advertising professionals and entrepreneursOften cited around advertising strategies

The speaker discusses 'Scientific Advertising' and its significance in the advertising industry, mentioning its historical context.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Advertising professionals and entrepreneurs
Key quote: The information was so good that, like, I stored that in my vault for 20 years.
The host discusses the influence of Claude Hopkins' 'Scientific Advertising' on modern advertising practices, emphasizing its foundational ideas. He highlights how iconic businesses build on the insights of past giants, illustrating the importance of combining established concepts with novel approaches.
ASIN: 1517038073
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Best for Aspiring entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around Jeff Bezos and his philosophy

The speaker refers to 'Invent and Wander' as an excellent book containing Jeff Bezos's shareholder letters and speeches.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Aspiring entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: he goes do you really want to to live in a world or to compete against somebody that's that's as good as you like i certainly certainly wouldn't
The host mentions 'Invent and Wander' to highlight Jeff Bezos's insights on competition and unfair advantages. The book compiles his shareholder letters and speeches, providing valuable lessons for aspiring entrepreneurs.
ASIN: 1647820715
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Best for Readers interested in sports biographiesOften cited around reading habits

The speaker mentions reading 'Michael Jordan: The Life', a 600-page biography, as part of their reading habits.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in sports biographies
Key quote: The speaker mentions reading 'Michael Jordan: The Life', a 600-page biography, as part of their reading habits.
The host briefly mentions 'Michael Jordan: The Life' to illustrate their extensive reading habits. This biography serves as an example of the type of books they enjoy exploring.
ASIN: 031619476X
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Best for Individuals interested in wealth management and financial literacyOften cited around wealth and legacy

The speaker talks about reading 'The Invisible Billionaire', a hard-to-find book about the richest person in the world in the 80s.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in wealth management and financial literacy
Key quote: a billion dollars in a stack of hundred dollar bills would be taught would be three times taller than the empire state building
The host mentions 'The Invisible Billionaire' to illustrate the stark difference between millionaires and billionaires, using Daniel Ludwig's story as a case study. The book highlights how Ludwig intentionally kept a low profile despite being the richest person in the world, which ties into discussions about wealth management and its impact on future generations.
ASIN: 0395354021
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Cable Cowboy
John Malone
Best for Individuals interested in wealth management and family dynamicsOften cited around wealth and motivation

The speaker mentions 'Cable Cowboy' as a highly recommended book that they plan to cover in an episode.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in wealth management and family dynamics
Key quote: you gotta do cable cowboy you gotta do cable cowboy you gotta we both have read the book it's awesome it's excellent
The host mentions 'Cable Cowboy' as a highly recommended book that provides insights into the impact of wealth on motivation, particularly in the context of family dynamics. They highlight how the book illustrates the long-term consequences of financial decisions across generations, using the story of Bob Magnus and his father as a key example.
ASIN: B0BYTF3NPB
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Best for Individuals interested in investment history and biographies of influential figures.Often cited around ancient business investing

The speaker highly recommends reading the biography of Hedy Green, who was so wealthy that she bailed out the city of New York, and the book contains unbelievable stories.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in investment history and biographies of influential figures.
Key quote: I read this biography that's incredible. I highly recommend people read it.
The host mentions 'The Richest Woman in America' to highlight the historical context of investing and how it has evolved over time. Hedy Green's story serves as a powerful example of how wealth and reputation played crucial roles in investment opportunities during financial panics.
ASIN: B009GBVEKY
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Best for Entrepreneurs and aspiring foundersOften cited around impact of Paul Graham's essays

The speaker discusses how he spent three weeks reading Paul Graham's essays, which had a significant impact on his life.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and aspiring founders
Key quote: I had spent three weeks reading Paul Graham's essays. Paul Graham's essays changed my life.
The host emphasizes the transformative impact that Paul Graham's essays had on his life and career. He specifically highlights how one essay, 'How to Do What You Love,' was pivotal in motivating him to dedicate his life to Founders.
How to Do What You Love cover
Best for Aspiring entrepreneurs and podcast creatorsOften cited around impact of Paul Graham's essays

The speaker mentions reading Paul Graham's essay, How to Do What You Love, which changed his life and inspired him to dedicate his life to Founders.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Aspiring entrepreneurs and podcast creators
Key quote: Paul Graham's essays changed my life.
The host mentions Paul Graham's essay 'How to Do What You Love' as a pivotal moment that inspired him to dedicate his life to podcasting and entrepreneurship. He emphasizes the profound impact that Graham's ideas have had on his personal and professional journey.
ASIN: B087647N6G
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Zero to One
Peter Thiel
Best for entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around business and cults

The book is referenced in the context of discussing how the best businesses resemble cults and inspire emotion in people.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: the best businesses like startups look like Colts.
The host mentions 'Zero to One' by Peter Thiel to emphasize the idea that successful businesses often resemble cults in their ability to inspire strong emotions and loyalty among their customers. This connection highlights the importance of standing out in a crowded market and fostering repeat behavior from consumers.
ASIN: B00M284NY2
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Bourdain: The Definitive Oral Biography cover
Best for Fans of Anthony Bourdain and culinary enthusiastsOften cited around Anthony Bourdain's influence

The book is mentioned in relation to Anthony Bourdain's influence and the format of the biography, which includes interviews with people who knew him.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Fans of Anthony Bourdain and culinary enthusiasts
Key quote: The book includes interviews with people who knew him.
The host mentions 'Bourdain: The Definitive Oral Biography' to highlight the unique format of the book, which features interviews with those who knew Bourdain. This approach provides insight into his life and impact on the culinary world.
ASIN: B08TN1C7X3
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Insanely Simple
Ken Siegel
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around importance of marketing

The speaker references a book called 'Insanely Simple' by Ken Siegel, discussing insights from Steve Jobs and marketing strategies at Apple.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: I want everybody in the world to own an Apple device.
The host references 'Insanely Simple' to emphasize the significance of effective marketing in business, as highlighted by Steve Jobs. The discussion revolves around how understanding marketing can enhance the impact of products that improve people's lives.
ASIN: B007Z9686O
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Kobe cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and business enthusiastsOften cited around importance of studying biographies

I read this like 600-page biography of Kobe. And in the biography, they interview his high school girlfriend.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and business enthusiasts
Key quote: I think my favorite episode of your podcast is the Kobe Bryant episode.
The host mentions the book 'Kobe' to illustrate the dedication and work ethic of successful individuals like Kobe Bryant. They emphasize that great entrepreneurs and investors continuously learn and study the fundamentals, much like Bryant studied game tape throughout his career.
ASIN: 0374201234
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business studentsOften cited around Ray Kroc's business philosophy

I just did a rewrite of Ray Kroc's autobiography, the guy from McDonald's.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Entrepreneurs and business students
Key quote: Ray Kroc like he was a terrible person.
The host discusses Ray Kroc's autobiography to illustrate the unpredictable nature of success and the importance of trusting one's instincts in business. They highlight Kroc's controversial character and the lessons learned from his journey, emphasizing that while his ideas were interesting, his personal ethics were questionable.
Snowball cover
Best for Individuals interested in personal development and investingOften cited around inner scorecard concept

The excerpt discusses Warren Buffett's insights on interest rates, referencing 'Snowball' as a source for his shareholder letters and thoughts on economic principles.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in personal development and investing
Key quote: Snowball has that quote from Buffett in there.
The host references the book 'Snowball' to illustrate the importance of having an inner scorecard versus an outer scorecard in life and investing. This distinction is highlighted through a quote from Buffett, emphasizing personal motivation over external validation.
ASIN: 0553384619
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Best for Investors and finance studentsOften cited around Warren Buffett on interest rates

The speaker mentions purchasing the Kindle version of Buffett's shareholder letters to find insights on interest rates and inflation.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Investors and finance students
Key quote: Interest rates power everything in the economic universe.
The host discusses the insights from Warren Buffett's shareholder letters, particularly regarding the impact of interest rates on asset values. They emphasize how Buffett's clear explanations can help investors make better decisions based on historical context.
ASIN: 9395741104
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Best for Aspiring entrepreneurs and business studentsOften cited around entrepreneurship education

Charlie Munger says you should read Les Schwab's autobiography to learn about incentives in a difficult business, which the speaker did.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Aspiring entrepreneurs and business students
Key quote: Charlie Munger says, you should read if you want to learn about incentives in a really difficult business, read Les Schwab's autobiography.
The host mentions Les Schwab's autobiography as a valuable resource for understanding business incentives and strategies in challenging industries. This recommendation stems from a conversation with Charlie Munger, highlighting the book's practical insights into successful entrepreneurship.
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Best for Students and professionals interested in business and entrepreneurship.Often cited around business education insights

The speaker mentions rereading 'The Tao of Charlie Munger' and discusses owning multiple formats of the book, indicating its value.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Students and professionals interested in business and entrepreneurship.
Key quote: Money is the lifeblood of all businesses.
The host mentions 'The Tao of Charlie Munger' to highlight the importance of experiential learning in business. They emphasize that real-world experiences provide invaluable lessons that traditional education often lacks.
ASIN: 150115334X
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Harry Potter
JK Rowling
Best for Parents and educatorsOften cited around importance of reading

They mentioned liking Harry Potter among other books during a discussion about reading.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Parents and educators
Key quote: They're like. Oh. I like Harry Potter.
The host mentioned 'Harry Potter' as an example of a book that children enjoy, highlighting the importance of reading for developing interests. This reference came during a discussion about encouraging kids to pursue their passions rather than conforming to traditional expectations.
ASIN: B0F14PDX2Z
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Movies & Documentaries Mentioned

Documentary

Ralph Lauren

Confidence: 90%

I watched a documentary on Ralph Lauren. I found out that he did the same thing that Akio did.