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FoundersMarch 1, 2024

#340 Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant

About This Episode
What I learned from reading Relentless: From Good to Great to Unstoppable by Tim Grover and Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness by Tim Grover. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes ---- Follow Founders Podcast on YouTube ----(3:00) What I am giving you is insight into the mentality of those who have found unparalleled success by trusting their own instincts. (3:00) Mozart: A Life by Paul Johnson. (Founders #240) (6:00) Michael was the best because he was relentless about winning. No matter how many times he won he always wanted more and he was always willing to do whatever it took to get it. (6:00) Michael never cared about achieving mere greatness. He cared about being the best ever. (7:00) These are the most driven individuals you'll ever know, with an unmatched genius for what they do: they don't just perform a job, they reinvent it. (8:00) Alex Rodriguez interviews Kobe Bryant (11:00) The most important thing, the one thing that defines and separates him from any other competitor: He's addicted to the exquisite rush of success and he'll alter his entire life to get it. (11:00) The mind will play tricks on you. The mind was telling you that you couldn't go any further. The mind was telling you how much it hurt. The mind was telling you these things to keep you from reaching your goal. But you have to see past that, turn it all off if you are going to get where you want to be. — —Driven From Within by Michael Jordan and Mark Vancil. (Founders #213) (12:30) If one thing separated Michael from every other player, it was his stunning ability to block out everything and everyone else. He was able to shut out everything except his mission. (14:00) At some point you made something simple into something complicated. (16:00) Being at the extreme in your craft is very important in the age of leverage. The best person in the world at anything gets to do it for everyone. (20:00) A 600 page biography of Kobe Bryant: The Life of Kobe Bryant by Roland Lazenby. (Founders #272) (21:00) This could be an ad for FOUNDERS NOTES The greats never stop learning. All the hours of work have created an unstoppable internal resource you can draw on in any situation. (22:00) Mostly he tested himself. It seemed that he discovered the secret quite early in his competitive life: the more pressure he heaped on himself the greater his ability to rise to the occasion. — Michael Jordan: The Life by Roland Lazenby. (Founders #212) (23:00) Kobe and Ahmad Rashad interview (23:00) Be indifferent to the opinions of other people. Michael does not care what you think. Kobe does not care what you think. There is no one that can hold them to a higher standard than themselves. (34:00) How Kobe Bryant knew he was going to win a lot of championships: It was easy to size other players up in the NBA. I found that a lot of guys played for financial stability. Once they got that financial stability the passion, the work ethic, and the obsessiveness was gone. Once I saw that I thought, “This is going to be like taking candy from a baby. No wonder Michael Jordan wins all these fucking championships.” (35:00) Michael Jordan worked on consistency, relentlessly. (49:00) A good competitor always evaluates his oppenent. And you understand him for what he really is. You never try to give him confidence you try to take it at all times. — Michael Jordan video (53:00) Everyone wanted to be like Mike. Mike did not want to be like anyone else. (1:07:00) Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs by Ken Kocienda. (Founders #281) (1:07:00) Stop adding. Start deleting. Winning demands total focus. (1:11:00) It started with hope. It started with hope. We went from a shitty team to one of the all time greatest dynasties. All you needed was one little match to start that whole fire. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Relentless, From Good to Great to Unstoppable cover

The first book is called Relentless, From Good to Great to Unstoppable. This is the updated version of the book, and it talks about the mentality of those who have found unparalleled success.

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Winning, The Unforgiving Race to Greatness cover

The second one is called Winning, The Unforgiving Race to Greatness. Both were written by Tim Grover, who was Michael Jordan's trainer for 15 years.

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The Almanac of Naval Ravikant cover

It's actually written. It's a book written by my friend Eric Jorgensen. It's called The Almanac of Naval Ravikant.

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Steve Jobs
Walter Isaacson

Steve jobs talked about this too, in his biography written by Walter Isaacson, he says intuition is a very powerful thing more powerful than intellect.

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Mamba Mentality
Kobe Bryant

The speaker references a quote from 'Mamba Mentality' by Kobe Bryant, discussing his competitive nature and work ethic.

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Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness cover

The speaker mentions 'Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness' as another book they want to share stories from.

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Winning cover

Tim discusses the book 'Winning' and how it includes stories about Kobe and Michael Jordan, focusing on elite competition.

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Relentless cover

Tim refers to the book 'Relentless' while discussing the struggles and sacrifices of elite athletes.

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The Score Takes Care of Itself cover

Tim references Bill Walsh's book 'The Score Takes Care of Itself' while discussing champions' behaviors.

ASIN: 1596703237
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Driven From Within cover

Tim mentions 'Driven From Within' as the closest thing to an autobiography of Michael Jordan, discussing loyalty and winning.

ASIN: 0743284003
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Creative Selection
Ken Kosienda

The speaker discusses how 'Creative Selection' taught insights into Michael, Kobe, and Steve Jobs' approaches to mastery and simplicity.

ASIN: 039913896X
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The Last Dance cover

The excerpt references how Michael ended the last episode of The Last Dance, discussing his entire journey.

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Founders Notes cover

The speaker mentions reading Founders Notes as a deeper version of the podcast, emphasizing its value.

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Kobe cover

A 600-page biography of Kobe is referenced, discussing his practices and learning methods.

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