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#267 Thomas Edison

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#267 Thomas Edison mentions The School of Natural Philosophy, The Fish That Ate the Whale, Creative Selection, and Experimental Researches in Electricity by Michael Faraday with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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She brought another book on physical science, which was called The School of Natural Philosophy.

I just re-read that book, The Fish That Ate the Whale. If you haven't listened to it, it's episode 255.

I can't recommend that book enough.

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What I learned from reading Edison: A Biography by Matthew Josephson. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- Outline: He had known how to gather interest, faith, and hope in the success of his projects. I think of this episode as part 5 in a 5 part series that started on episode 263: #263 Land's Polaroid: A Company and the Man Who Invented It by Peter C. Wensberg. #264 Instant: The Story of Polaroid by Christopher Bonanos. #265 Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader by Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli #266 My Life and Work by Henry Ford. Follow your natural drift. —Charlie Munger Warren Buffett: “Bill Gates Sr. posed the question to the table: What factor did people feel was the most important in getting to where they’d gotten in life? And I said, ‘Focus.’ And Bill said the same thing.” —Focus and Finding Your Favorite Problems by Frederik Gieschen Focus! A simple thing to say and a nearly impossible thing to do over the long term. We have a picture of the boy receiving blow after blow and learning that there was inexplicable cruelty and pain in this world. He is working from the time the sun rises till 10 or 11 at night. He is 11 years old. He reads the entire library. Every book. All of them. At this point in history the telegraph is the leading edge of communication technology in the world. My refuge was a Detroit public library. I started with the first book on the bottom shelf and went through the lot one by one. I did not read a few books. I read the library. Runnin' Down a Dream: How to Succeed and Thrive in a Career You Love by Bill Gurley Blake Robbins Notes on Runnin’ Down a Dream: How to Succeed and Thrive in a Career You Love Greatness isn't random. It is earned. If you're going to research something, this is your lucky day. Information is freely available on the internet — that's the good news. The bad news is that you now have zero excuse for not being the most knowledgeable in any subject you want because it's right there at your fingertips. Why his work on the telegraph was so important to everything that happened later in his life: The germs of many ideas and stratagems perfected by him in later years were implanted in his mind when he worked at the telegraph. He described this phase of his life afterward, his mind was in a tumult, besieged by all sorts of ideas and schemes. All the future potentialities of electricity obsessed him night and day. It was then that he dared to hope that he would become an inventor. Edison’s insane schedule: Though he had worked up to an early hour of the morning at the telegraph office, Edison began reading the Experimental Researches In Electricity (Faraday’s book) when he returned to his room at 4 A.M. and continued throughout the day that followed, so that he went back to his telegraph without having slept. He was filled with determination to learn all he could. All the Thomas Edison episodes: The Wizard of Menlo Park: How Thomas Alva Edison Invented The Modern World by Randall Stross (Founders #3) Empires of Light: Edison, Tesla, Westinghouse, and the Race to Electrify the World by Jill Jonnes. (Founders #83) The Vagabonds: The Story of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison's Ten-Year Road Tripby Jeff Guinn. (Founders #190) Having one's own shop, working on projects of one’s own choosing, making enough money today so one could do the same tomorrow: These were the modest goals of Thomas Edison when he struck out on his own as full-time inventor and manufacturer. The grand goal was nothing other than enjoying the autonomy of entrepreneur and forestalling a return to the servitude of employee. —The Wizard of Menlo Park: How Thomas Alva Edison Invented The Modern World by Randall Stross Dark Genius of Wall Street: The Misunderstood Life of Jay Gould, King of the Robber Barons by Edward J. Renehan Jr. (Founders #258) It's this idea where you can identify an opportunity because you have deep knowledge about one industry and you see that there is an industry developing parallel to the industry that you know about. Jay Gould saw the importance of the telegraph industry in part because telegraph lines were laid next to railraod tracks. Edison describes the fights between the robber barons as strange financial warfare. You should build a company that you actually enjoy working in. Don’t make this mistake: John Ott who served under Edison for half a century, at the end of his life described the "sacrifices" some of Edison's old co-workers had made, and he commented on their reasons for so doing. "My children grew up without knowing their father," he said. "When I did get home at night, which was seldom, they were in bed." "Why did you do it?" he was asked. "Because Edison made your work interesting. He made me feel that I was making something with him. I wasn't just a workman. And then in those days, we all hoped to get rich with him.” Don’t try to sell a new technology to an exisiting monopoly. Western Union was a telegraphy monopoly: He approached Western union people with the idea of reproducing and recording the human voice, but they saw no conceivable use for it! Against The Odds: An Autobiography by James Dyson (Founders #200) Passion is infectious. No Better Time: The Brief, Remarkable Life of Danny Lewin, the Genius Who Transformed the Internet by Molly Knight Raskin. (Founders #24) For more detail on the War of the Currents listen to episode 83 Empires of Light: Edison, Tesla, Westinghouse, and the Race to Electrify the World by Jill Jonnes. From the book Empire of Light: And so it was that J. Pierpont, Morgan, whose house had been the first in New York to be wired for electricity by Edison but a decade earlier, now erased Edison's name out of corporate existence without even the courtesy of a telegram or a phone call to the great inventor. Edison biographer Matthew Josephson wrote, "To Morgan it made little difference so long as it all resulted in a big trustification for which he would be the banker." Edison had been, in the vocabulary of the times, Morganized. One of Thomas Edison’s favorite books: Toilers of The Sea by Victor Hugo “The trouble with other inventors is that they try a few things and quit. I never quit until I get what I want.” —Thomas Edison “Remember, nothing that's good works by itself. You've gotta make the damn thing work.” —Thomas Edison The Fish That Ate the Whale: The Life and Times of America's Banana Kingby Rich Cohen. (Founders #255) He (Steve Jobs) was always easy to understand. He would either approve a demo, or he would request to see something different next time. Whenever Steve reviewed a demo, he would say, often with highly detailed specificity, what he wanted to happen next. He was always trying to ensure the products were as intuitive and straightforward as possible, and he was willing to invest his own time, effort, and influence to see that they were. Through looking at demos, asking for specific changes, then reviewing the changed work again later on and giving a final approval before we could ship, Steve could make a product turn out like he wanted. — Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs by Ken Kocienda (Bonus episode between Founders #110 and #111) Charles Kettering is the 20th Century’s Ben Franklin. — Professional Amateur: The Biography of Charles Franklin Kettering by Thomas Boyd (Founders #125) ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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The School of Natural Philosophy

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The Fish That Ate the Whale

The host mentions 'The Fish That Ate the Whale' to illustrate how Sam Zimuri's hands-on approach gave him an advantag…

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Creative Selection

The host mentions 'Creative Selection' to highlight the importance of hands-on leadership in product development, dra…

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Experimental Researches in Electricity
Michael Faraday

The host discusses how Edison's early experiences with the telegraph and his discovery of Faraday's work significantl…

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The Wizard of Menlo Park
Randall Strauss

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Edison, a biography
Matthew Josephson

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Toilers of the Sea
Victor Hugo

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No Better Time

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Parents and educators interested in fostering curiosity in childrenEntrepreneurs and business leadersAnyone involved in product development or leadership.Aspiring inventors and those interested in the history of electricityIndividuals interested in entrepreneurship and historical figures in innovation.Individuals interested in innovation and entrepreneurship

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Best for Parents and educators interested in fostering curiosity in childrenOften cited around Edison's early education

This book described and illustrated various scientific experiments that could be performed at home, significantly influencing Edison's early curiosity and experiments.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Parents and educators interested in fostering curiosity in children
Key quote: She brought another book on physical science, which was called The School of Natural Philosophy.
The host highlights how Edison's mother played a crucial role in his education by introducing him to various books, including 'The School of Natural Philosophy.' This book was pivotal in sparking Edison's curiosity and passion for scientific experimentation, ultimately shaping his future as an inventor.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around Edison's management style

The speaker mentions re-reading 'The Fish That Ate the Whale' and describes it as one of their favorite books, relating it to Sam Zimuri's business practices.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: I just re-read that book, The Fish That Ate the Whale. If you haven't listened to it, it's episode 255.
The host mentions 'The Fish That Ate the Whale' to illustrate how Sam Zimuri's hands-on approach gave him an advantage over competitors. This comparison highlights the importance of being deeply involved in one's business, similar to Edison's work ethic.
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Best for Anyone involved in product development or leadership.Often cited around Steve Jobs and product development

The speaker recommends 'Creative Selection', stating that anyone building a product should read it, and mentions having read it three times.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Anyone involved in product development or leadership.
Key quote: I can't recommend that book enough.
The host mentions 'Creative Selection' to highlight the importance of hands-on leadership in product development, drawing parallels between Steve Jobs and historical figures like Thomas Edison. The book provides insights into Jobs' decision-making process and his commitment to intuitive product design.
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Best for Aspiring inventors and those interested in the history of electricityOften cited around Edison's obsession with telegraph

Edison bought a secondhand copy of Michael Faraday's book, which he said was one of the decisive events of his life.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Aspiring inventors and those interested in the history of electricity
Key quote: This first encounter with the great English scientist journals on his experiments was one of the decisive events of his life.
The host discusses how Edison's early experiences with the telegraph and his discovery of Faraday's work significantly influenced his path as an inventor. This book provided Edison with crucial insights that fueled his determination to innovate in the field of electricity.
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Best for Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and historical figures in innovation.Often cited around Edison's early influences

The excerpt that I'm about to read to you comes from the book The Wizard of Menlo Park, which describes what was important to Edison.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and historical figures in innovation.
Key quote: These were the modest goals of Thomas Edison when he struck out on his own as full time inventor and manufacturer.
The host mentions 'The Wizard of Menlo Park' to illustrate a pivotal moment in Thomas Edison's life when he was inspired by Michael Faraday's work. This book serves as a foundation for understanding Edison's determination to become an entrepreneur and inventor.
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Edison, a biography
Matthew Josephson
Best for Individuals interested in innovation and entrepreneurshipOften cited around American inventors and influence

The podcast discusses a 60-year-old biography of Thomas Edison, originally published in 1959, highlighting Edison's life and contributions.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in innovation and entrepreneurship
Key quote: That paragraph describes the dent that Thomas Edison put into the universe.
The host mentions 'Edison, a biography' to illustrate the profound impact Thomas Edison had on the world and to connect his legacy with other influential figures like Steve Jobs and Henry Ford. The discussion serves as a foundation for exploring how these inventors' lives and ideas can inspire listeners in their own pursuits.
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Best for Readers interested in the intersection of literature and innovationOften cited around Edison's inspiration from literature

Edison's favorite book was Victor Hugo's Toilers of the Sea, which inspired him during his struggles with invention and progress.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in the intersection of literature and innovation
Key quote: One of Edison's favorite books was Victor Hugo's Toilers of the sea.
The host discusses how Thomas Edison was inspired by Victor Hugo's 'Toilers of the Sea' and draws parallels between Edison's struggles and the hero's journey in the novel. This connection illustrates how literature can motivate individuals facing significant challenges in their pursuits.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and innovatorsOften cited around Danny Lewin's biography

Danny Lewin is widely believed to be the first person killed in the 9-11 attacks. His biography, 'No Better Time', discusses his belief in his work and how it inspired others.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and innovators
Key quote: His belief in this thing was so profoundly convincing that I believed too.
The host mentions 'No Better Time' to illustrate how belief and passion can influence others, using Danny Lewin's story as a powerful example. Lewin's ability to convey his conviction in his ideas parallels Edison's efforts to gain support for his inventions.
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Edison's biographer
Matthew Josephson
Best for Readers interested in business history and innovationOften cited around Edison's business challenges

Matthew Josephson is mentioned as the biographer of Edison, who wrote a book related to the discussion.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in business history and innovation
Key quote: Edison had been, in the vocabulary of the times, Morganized.
The host references 'Edison's biographer' to illustrate the complexities and challenges Edison faced in his business ventures, particularly with financiers like J.P. Morgan. This book provides a detailed account of Edison's struggles and the evolving relationship between big business and technology during his time.
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Best for Readers interested in business history and technologyOften cited around Edison's business partnerships

The podcast mentions 'Empire's Light', which is an entire book about a specific point in Edison's life, providing more detail than discussed.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in business history and technology
Key quote: The launching of the Edison Electric light company by such sponsors is noteworthy.
The host mentions 'Empire's Light' to illustrate the complex relationships between Edison and his financiers, particularly J.P. Morgan. The book provides a detailed account of how these dynamics influenced Edison's ventures and the broader implications for business and technology.
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Edison cover
Best for Individuals interested in innovation and the lives of historical inventors.Often cited around Influence of Thomas Edison

Edison's kids are mentioned in the context of a cautionary tale about obsession and personal life, highlighting their lack of time spent with him.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in innovation and the lives of historical inventors.
Key quote: That paragraph describes the dent that Thomas Edison put into the universe.
The host discusses the impact of Thomas Edison as portrayed in Matthew Josephson's biography, emphasizing Edison's unique personality and contributions to innovation. This biography serves as a foundation for exploring the interconnectedness of influential inventors like Steve Jobs and Henry Ford.
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Empire of Light cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and innovators interested in historical figures in technologyOften cited around Edison's inventions and challenges

The speaker references 'Empire of Light' in relation to Edison's life and the war of the currents, indicating they have read it.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and innovators interested in historical figures in technology
Key quote: there's an entire book called Empire of Light on it.
The host mentions 'Empire of Light' to highlight the complexities and struggles faced by Thomas Edison during his career, particularly during the 'war of the currents.' This book provides insights into Edison's character and his relentless pursuit of innovation, which the host believes is essential for founders to understand.
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Best for Educators and parents interested in fostering curiosity in childrenOften cited around Edison's early education

Edison's mother read to him from various books, including 'The decline and fall of the Roman Empire', which inspired him to read.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Educators and parents interested in fostering curiosity in children
Key quote: She read to him from such books as the decline and fall of the Roman Empire.
The host mentions 'The decline and fall of the Roman Empire' as one of the books that Edison's mother read to him, highlighting her belief in his intelligence. This reference serves to illustrate the diverse and rich educational environment she created for him, which fostered his curiosity and love for learning.
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Best for Parents and educators interested in fostering self-directed learning in children.Often cited around Edison's early education

Edison's mother read to him from various books, including 'The history of England', which inspired him to read.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Parents and educators interested in fostering self-directed learning in children.
Key quote: She read to him from such books as the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, The history of England, and then from literary classics ranging from Shakespeare to Charles Dickens.
The host mentions 'The History of England' as part of the diverse reading material that Edison's mother provided to foster his curiosity and learning. This book, along with others, played a role in shaping Edison's intellectual development at a young age.
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Best for Readers interested in the history of innovation and entrepreneurship.Often cited around Edison's inspiration to invent

I read Empires of Light, which is about the war of the currents between Edison, Tesla, and Westinghouse.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in the history of innovation and entrepreneurship.
Key quote: I read, Empires of Light, which is about the war of the currents between Edison, Tesla, and Westinghouse.
The host mentions 'Empires of Light' to illustrate the competitive landscape between Edison, Tesla, and Westinghouse. This context helps to understand Edison's drive and determination to innovate in his field.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and those interested in historical figures in innovation.Often cited around Edison's entrepreneurial journey

I read the book Vagabonds, which is about the relationship between Henry Ford and Thomas Edison.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Entrepreneurs and those interested in historical figures in innovation.
Key quote: He loves the word hustle and he loves hustlers.
The host mentions 'Vagabonds' to illustrate the relationship between Henry Ford and Thomas Edison, highlighting the influence of their partnership on Edison's entrepreneurial spirit. This book serves as a backdrop to discuss Edison's determination and hustle in pursuing his inventions.
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The School of Natural Philosophy
Founders · 12:07
She brought another book on physical science, which was called The School of Natural Philosophy.
The Fish That Ate the Whale
Founders · 1:04:05
I just re-read that book, The Fish That Ate the Whale. If you haven't listened to it, it's episode 255.
Creative Selection
Founders · 1:05:01
I can't recommend that book enough.
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