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#265 Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader

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#265 Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader mentions Michael Jordan, The Life by Roland Lazenby, Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing by Randall Strauss, Becoming Steve Jobs by Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli, and Creativity, Inc. by Ed Catmull with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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I told you when I read Michael Jordan's biography, his 700-page biography, it's called Michael Jordan, The Life. That book changed my life.

After you read this book, I would read Steve Jobs and the next big thing.

Becoming Steve Jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli

But if you only had time to read one or if you only wanted to read one, this is the one I would choose.

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What I learned from rereading Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader by Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- [3:11] His mind was never a captive of reality. [5:16] A complete list of every Founders episode on Steve Jobs and the founders Steve studied: Steve Jobs’s Heroes [7:15] Steve Jobs and The Next Big Thing by Randall Stross (Founders #77) [9:05] Steve Job’s Commencement Address [9:40] Driven and curious, even when things were tough, he was a learning machine. [10:20] He learned how to manage himself. [12:45] Anything could be figured out and since anything could be figured out anything could be built. [14:10] It was a calculation based on arrogance. — The Fish That Ate the Whale: The Life and Times of America's Banana King by Rich Cohen (Founders #255) [18:00] We were no longer aiming for the handful of hobbyists who liked to assemble their own computers. For every one of them there were a thousand people who would want the machine to be ready to run. [17:40] He was a free thinker whose ideas would often run against the conventional wisdom of any community in which he operated. [19:55] He had no qualms about calling anyone up in search of information or help. [20:40] I've never found anybody who didn't want to help me when I've asked them for help. I've never found anyone who's said no or hung up the phone when I called. I just asked. Most people never pick up the phone and call. Most people never ask. [21:50] First you believe. Then you work on getting other people to share your belief. [24:55] All the podcasts on Edwin Land: Land's Polaroid: A Company and the Man Who Invented It by Peter C. Wensberg (Founders #263)A Triumph of Genius: Edwin Land, Polaroid, and the Kodak Patent War by Ronald Fierstein (Founders #134)Land's Polaroid: A Company and the Man Who Invented It by Peter C. Wensberg (Founders #133)The Instant Image: Edwin Land and the Polaroid Experienceby Mark Olshaker (Founders #132)Insisting On The Impossible: The Life of Edwin Land and Instant: The Story of Polaroid (Founders #40) [25:00] My friend Frederick’s newsletter I was interviewed for [30:20] He was an extraordinary speaker and he wielded that tool to great effect. [31:00] Never underestimate the value of an ally. — Estée Lauder: A Success Story by Estée Lauder. (Founders #217) [32:50] If you go to sleep on a win you’re going to wake up with a loss. [33:00] Hard Drive: Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire by James Wallace and Jim Erickson (Founders #140) [34:20] Software development requires very little capital investment. It is basically intellectual capital. The main cost is the labor required to design and test it. There's no need for expensive factories. It can be replicated endlessly for practically nothing. [38:10] He cared passionately and he never dialed it in. [39:45] To Pixar And Beyond: My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History by Lawrence Levy (Founders #235) [42:58] Time carries most of the weight. [43:30] People that are learning machines and then refuse to quit are incredibly hard to beat. Steve jobs was a learning machine who refused to quit. [44:17] Steve Jobs and The Next Big Thing by Randall Stross (Founders #77) [49:40] Creativity Inc by Ed Catmull [50:30] There were times when the reactions against Steve baffled Steve. I remember him sometimes saying to me: Why are they upset? What that said to me was that he didn't intend to get that outcome. It was a lack of skill as opposed to meanness. A lack of skill of dealing with other people. [55:50] Creative thinking, at its best, is chalk full of failures and dead ends. [56:40] Successful people listen. Those that don’t listen don’t last long. —Michael Jordan: The Life by Roland Lazenby. (Founders #212) [58:40] You can't go to the library and find a book titled The Business Model for Animation. The reason you can't is because there's only been one company Disney that's ever done it well, and they were not interested in telling the world how lucrative it was. [1:01:20] The company is one of the most amazing inventions of humans. [1:02:25] The only purpose for me in building a company is so that the company can make products. One is a means to the other. [1:04:00] Personal History by Katherine Graham (Founders #152) [1:10:11] Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs by Ken Kocienda [1:11:12] What am I focusing on that sets me apart from my competitors? [1:13:00] The channel? We lost $2 billion last year. Who gives a fuck about the channel? [1:15:21] Time carries most of the weight. Stay in the game as long as possible. [1:16:41] The information he'd glean would go into the learning machine that was his brain. Sometimes that's where it would sit, and nothing would happen. Sometimes he'd concoct a way to combine it with something else he'd seen, or perhaps to twist it in a way to benefit an entirely different project altogether. This was one of his great talents, the ability to synthesize separate developments and technologies into something previously unimaginable. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Michael Jordan, The Life
Roland Lazenby

The host mentions 'Michael Jordan, The Life' to highlight the importance of listening and learning from others, even…

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Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing
Randall Strauss

The host emphasizes the importance of understanding Steve Jobs' evolution during his wilderness years, which are ofte…

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Becoming Steve Jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli

The host emphasizes the importance of understanding Steve Jobs' transformation from a reckless entrepreneur to a visi…

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Creativity, Inc.
Ed Catmull

The host discusses how Ed Catmull's insights from 'Creativity, Inc.' significantly influenced Steve Jobs' management…

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Creative Selection

The host mentions 'Creative Selection' to highlight the critical role of user interaction in product design, particul…

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The Fish That Ate the Whale

The host mentions 'The Fish That Ate the Whale' to illustrate the audacity and vision of entrepreneurs like Steve Job…

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Hard Drive

The host mentions 'Hard Drive' as a crucial biography that provides insight into Bill Gates' early career and his imp…

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Edwin Land

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Individuals seeking inspiration and lessons on successEntrepreneurs and those interested in Steve Jobs' lifeEntrepreneurs and those interested in Steve JobsManagers and leaders in creative industriesAnyone building a productAspiring entrepreneurs and business students

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Michael Jordan, The Life cover
Best for Individuals seeking inspiration and lessons on successOften cited around Michael Jordan's influence

The speaker references Michael Jordan's biography, which changed his life and emphasizes the importance of listening to others, even for dominant personalities.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals seeking inspiration and lessons on success
Key quote: I told you when I read Michael Jordan's biography, his 700-page biography, it's called Michael Jordan, The Life. That book changed my life.
The host mentions 'Michael Jordan, The Life' to highlight the importance of listening and learning from others, even for someone as successful as Michael Jordan. This book had a profound impact on the host, emphasizing that successful individuals are those who remain receptive to feedback.
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Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and those interested in Steve Jobs' lifeOften cited around Steve Jobs' wilderness years

This book covers the wilderness years of Steve Jobs, detailing the critical period between his first tenure at Apple and his return.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and those interested in Steve Jobs' life
Key quote: After you read this book, I would read Steve Jobs and the next big thing.
The host emphasizes the importance of understanding Steve Jobs' evolution during his wilderness years, which are often overlooked. He believes that 'Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing' provides the most comprehensive insight into this critical period of Jobs' career.
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Becoming Steve Jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli
Best for Entrepreneurs and those interested in Steve JobsOften cited around Steve Jobs' evolution

The book covers Steve Jobs' evolution from a reckless entrepreneur to a visionary leader, providing a deeper understanding of his career and impact.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and those interested in Steve Jobs
Key quote: But if you only had time to read one or if you only wanted to read one, this is the one I would choose.
The host emphasizes the importance of understanding Steve Jobs' transformation from a reckless entrepreneur to a visionary leader. He believes that 'Becoming Steve Jobs' provides the most comprehensive insight into this evolution, making it essential reading for anyone interested in entrepreneurship.
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Creativity, Inc. cover
Best for Managers and leaders in creative industriesOften cited around Steve Jobs management style

Ed Catmull taught more about management to Steve Jobs than anyone else in his career. The book includes an afterword called The Steve We Knew, detailing Catmull's relationship with Jobs.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Managers and leaders in creative industries
Key quote: Over time, Catmull became perhaps the keenest observer of Steve Jobs.
The host discusses how Ed Catmull's insights from 'Creativity, Inc.' significantly influenced Steve Jobs' management approach at Pixar and later at Apple. The book is highlighted as a critical resource for understanding the evolution of Jobs into a visionary leader through Catmull's unique perspective on managing creative talent.
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Creative Selection cover
Best for Anyone building a productOften cited around importance of product interaction

This book, written by a programmer who worked directly with Steve Jobs, provides insights into how he thought about building products, especially the iPhone.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Anyone building a product
Key quote: It's called Creative Selection.
The host mentions 'Creative Selection' to highlight the critical role of user interaction in product design, particularly as exemplified by Steve Jobs. The book provides insights into how Jobs approached product development, emphasizing the importance of simplicity and user experience.
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The Fish That Ate the Whale cover
Best for Aspiring entrepreneurs and business studentsOften cited around entrepreneurship and innovation

The book discusses the story of Sam Zemuri, an immigrant who built a business from discarded bananas, illustrating a calculation based on arrogance.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Aspiring entrepreneurs and business students
Key quote: It was a calculation based on arrogance.
The host mentions 'The Fish That Ate the Whale' to illustrate the audacity and vision of entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs and Sam Zemuri. The book serves as a backdrop for discussing how seemingly insignificant beginnings can lead to monumental successes in business.
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Hard Drive cover
Best for Anyone interested in technology history and the biographies of influential figures.Often cited around Steve Jobs and Bill Gates

The speaker mentions that the book 'Hard Drive' is nearly a perfect biography of Bill Gates, covering the first 35 years of his life and ending on the Microsoft IPO.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Anyone interested in technology history and the biographies of influential figures.
Key quote: I think maybe the most popular episode of Founders ever was episode 140 when I read that book Hard Drive.
The host mentions 'Hard Drive' as a crucial biography that provides insight into Bill Gates' early career and his impact on the software industry. This book is highlighted as essential for understanding the dynamics between Gates and Jobs during a pivotal time in technology history.
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Edwin Land cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and aspiring innovatorsOften cited around Steve Jobs and mentors

The speaker discusses reading three books on Edwin Land, indicating a deep interest in his life and contributions, which Steve Jobs admired.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and aspiring innovators
Key quote: I just spent probably 10 days reading. It's got to be close to a thousand pages on Edwin Land.
The host discusses Steve Jobs' admiration for Edwin Land and how Land's entrepreneurial spirit influenced Jobs' career. The mention of multiple books on Land highlights the depth of research and inspiration Jobs drew from Land's life and work.
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Best for Readers interested in business mentorship and personal stories of influential figures.Often cited around Catherine Graham's experiences

The autobiography discusses Catherine Graham's experiences, including her relationship with Warren Buffett, who became her mentor after she took over her company.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in business mentorship and personal stories of influential figures.
Key quote: The autobiography discusses Catherine Graham's experiences, including her relationship with Warren Buffett, who became her mentor after she took over her company.
The host briefly mentions Catherine Graham's autobiography to highlight her relationship with Warren Buffett. This relationship was significant as he became her mentor after she took over her company.
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Michael Jordan, The Life cover
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Michael Jordan, The Life
Roland Lazenby

The host mentions 'Michael Jordan, The Life' to highlight the importance of listening and learning from others, even for someone as successful as M…

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Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing cover
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Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing
Randall Strauss

The host emphasizes the importance of understanding Steve Jobs' evolution during his wilderness years, which are often overlooked. He believes that…

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Becoming Steve Jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli

The host emphasizes the importance of understanding Steve Jobs' transformation from a reckless entrepreneur to a visionary leader. He believes that…

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Movies & Documentaries Mentioned

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The Tin Toy

Confidence: 100%

When Lasseter had gone to Steve to get approval for the budget of a short film called The Tin Toy, Steve's response had been, Just make it great. Tin Toy winds up winning the Oscar for the best short animated film.

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Toy Story

Confidence: 100%

The first of these movies was Toy Story, the world's first entirely computer animated feature film.