Topics Discussed: Symbolism of the climate cult, Battle for balance, Don’t panic, the Messianic urge, When it’s the end of the world, Hyper simplified moralism, The correct use of science, The better solution, delayed gratification, The problem with “need”, Wealth for the typical person, Imposing degrowth, inviting totalitarianism, Flawed predictions, the real fight, The wrong comparison, the right idea, Indoor air pollution, Education, double for nothing, Zone of proximal development, Ethical wealth.

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Bjorn Lomborg

Bjørn Lomborg is a Danish author, having written numerous books on climate change such as “False Alarm,” “The Skeptical Environmentalist,” and “How to Spend $75 Billion to Make the World a Better Place.” He is the president of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus Center that focuses on doing the most good, for the most people, with increasingly limited budgets. Previously, Lomborg was the director of the Danish government's Environmental Assessment Institute.

Books Mentioned in this Podcast with Jordan Peterson & Bjorn Lomborg:

Bjørn Lomborg: A Rational Perspective on Global Challenges

In a thought-provoking episode, Bjørn Lomborg, an influential author and thinker on global development and environmental issues, sheds light on pressing global challenges and offers a counter-narrative to the prevailing doom-and-gloom outlook.

Debunking the End-of-the-World Narrative

Lomborg challenges the widespread belief that the world is on the brink of collapse. He underscores the importance of data-driven analysis and emphasizes the progress humanity has achieved over the years.

Climate Change: A Balanced View

The conversation delves deep into the topic of climate change. Lomborg provides a balanced perspective, acknowledging the challenges while also highlighting the potential solutions and strategies that can mitigate the impacts.

Global Development: Prioritizing the Right Issues

Lomborg's insights into global developmental priorities are enlightening. He discusses the importance of focusing on issues that can yield the most significant benefits for humanity, ensuring effective resource allocation.


The dialogue with Bjørn Lomborg is a refreshing take on global challenges. By challenging popular narratives and emphasizing rationality, Lomborg provides a roadmap for a more informed and effective approach to global issues.