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Interesting Times with Ross DouthatMay 15, 2025

An Interview With the Herald of the Apocalypse

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AI 2027

We predict that they finally, in early 2027, get good enough at that sort of thing that they can automate the job of software engineers.

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In AI 2037 we talk about this gap between what you're actually reinforcing and what you want to happen.

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Is artificial intelligence about to take your job? According to Daniel Kokotajlo, the executive director of the A.I. Futures Project, that should be the least of your worries. Kokotajlo was once a researcher for OpenAI, but left after losing confidence in the company’s commitment to A.I. safety. This week, he joins Ross to talk about “AI 2027,” a series of predictions and warnings about the risks A.I. poses to humanity in the coming years, from radically transforming the economy to developing armies of robots.

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The conversation centers on future of artificial intelligence.
A second recurring theme is superintelligence takeover.
Referenced books include AI 2027 and AI 2037.
The strongest audience signal points to Individuals interested in AI and its societal impacts and AI researchers and policymakers.

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AI 2027

Best for Individuals interested in AI and its societal impactsOften cited around future of artificial intelligence

“The mention of 'AI 2027' refers to a scenario where AIs become misaligned and pose a threat to humanity, leading to a dark future.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: future of artificial intelligence

For: Individuals interested in AI and its societal impacts

Key quote: “We predict that they finally, in early 2027, get good enough at that sort of thing that they can automate the job of software engineers.”

The host discusses the implications of AI advancements as outlined in the book 'AI 2027'. They highlight the potential for AI to automate jobs, particularly in programming, and the psychological impact of such rapid changes on society.

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AI 2037

Best for AI researchers and policymakersOften cited around superintelligence takeover

“In AI 2037 we talk about this gap between what you're actually reinforcing and what you want to happen.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: superintelligence takeover

For: AI researchers and policymakers

Key quote: “In AI 2037 we talk about this gap between what you're actually reinforcing and what you want to happen.”

The host mentions 'AI 2037' to explore the complexities and potential pitfalls of AI development, particularly regarding hallucinations and misalignment. This book provides insights into the challenges of ensuring AI systems align with human goals as they become more advanced.

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We predict that they finally, in early 2027, get good enough at that sort of thing that they can automate the job of software engineers.

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In AI 2037 we talk about this gap between what you're actually reinforcing and what you want to happen.

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The Matrix

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