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A Radical Proposal for True Democracy

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Notable books mentioned: the work of Scott Page and Lou Hong, Against Election by Van Rijbroek, Liquid Rain, The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas

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One thing I want to do on this show is give space to truly radical ideas, to expand the boundaries of our political and moral imaginations. And Hélène Landemore, a political scientist at Yale, has one of those ideas. She calls it “open democracy,” and the premise is simple: What we call democracy is not very democratic. The role of the people is confined to elections, to choosing the elites who will represent us. Landemore argues that our political thinking is stuck in “18th-century epistemologies and technologies.” It is not enough. We’ve learned much in the last few hundred years about random sampling, about the benefits of cognitively diverse groups, about the ways elections are captured by those with the most social and financial capital. Landemore wants to take what we’ve learned and build a new vision of democracy atop it — one in which we let groups of randomly selected citizens actually deliberate and govern. One in which we trust deliberation and diversity, not elections and political parties, to shape our ideas and to restrain our worst impulses. This is a challenging idea. I don’t know that it would work. But it’s a provocation worth wrestling with, particularly at this moment, when our ideas about democracy have so far outpaced the thin, corrupted ways in which we practice it. You’ve heard people say, “We’re a republic, not a democracy.” Landemore’s challenge is this: What if we were a democracy? We honor those who came before us for radically reimagining who could govern, and how politics could work. But did they really discover the terminal state of democracy? Or are there bold steps left for us to take? Recommendations: Liquid Reign by Tim Reutemann The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas The Principles of Representative Government by Bernard Manin Mortelle Adèle Book Series "The Ezra Klein Show" is hiring an Associate Producer! Apply to work with us by visiting nytco.com/careers. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Rogé Karma and Jeff Geld; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld.
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Highly Recommended(3)Deep Dive(2)Passing Reference(1)
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Scholars and practitioners of democratic theoryPolicymakers and social scientistsIndividuals interested in governance and climate policyReaders interested in democratic theory and political philosophy.Readers who enjoy classic literature and rich character development.Readers interested in democratic theory and history

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Best for Scholars and practitioners of democratic theoryOften cited around deliberative democracy benefits

The speaker suggests that if you cannot include everyone in deliberation, you should take a representative sample based on random selection to minimize the loss of diversity.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Scholars and practitioners of democratic theory
Key quote: the suggestion in my previous book is that you should take a representative sample on the basis of random selection to minimize the loss of diversity among the small group of deliberators.
The host references their previous book to emphasize the importance of including diverse voices in democratic processes. They argue that a representative sample selected randomly can enhance decision-making by minimizing the loss of diversity among deliberators.
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Best for Policymakers and social scientistsOften cited around group diversity and governance

The speaker references the work of Scott Page and Lou Hong, which suggests that group intelligence is more a function of group diversity than individual competence.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Policymakers and social scientists
Key quote: My work in my past book was building on recent results in social sciences that suggest that group intelligence is much more, I mean, or more a function of the group diversity than the individual competence of the members.
The host references the work of Scott Page and Lou Hong to emphasize the importance of group diversity in decision-making processes. They argue that a more diverse group can lead to better governance and solutions to societal issues, contrasting it with the limitations of a homogenous decision-making body.
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Against Election
Van Rijbroek
Best for Individuals interested in governance and climate policyOften cited around deliberative citizen process

The mention of Van Rijbroek's book, Against Election, highlights its advocacy for sortition-based bodies, which influenced the Citizens Convention for Climate in France.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in governance and climate policy
Key quote: I think he had read Van Rijbroek's book, Van Rijbroek's book, Against Election, that was who advocated sortition-based bodies like that.
The host mentions 'Against Election' by Van Rijbroek to highlight the concept of sortition-based governance as a potential solution for climate issues in France. This reference serves to illustrate how alternative governance models can emerge from public demand for more effective decision-making processes.
ASIN: 1847924220
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Best for Readers interested in democratic theory and political philosophy.Often cited around democratic world vision

It's called Liquid Rain. It's sort of waving together ideals from cyberdemocrats involving delegates, what's called a liquid democracy.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in democratic theory and political philosophy.
Key quote: There's one book, though, that I cite in my book. It's called Liquid Rain.
The host mentions 'Liquid Rain' as a significant book that explores the concept of liquid democracy, where individuals can delegate their votes. This book is highlighted as a unique perspective on democracy, contrasting with the more common dystopian narratives found in literature.
ASIN: 1543509525
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The Three Musketeers
Alexandre Dumas
Best for Readers who enjoy classic literature and rich character development.Often cited around favorite French novel

The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas. I find recent French novels very depressing, but the old classics are excellent.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers who enjoy classic literature and rich character development.
Key quote: This is my favorite book. I just love the atmosphere, the friendship, the, you know, the complicated plots.
The host mentions 'The Three Musketeers' as their favorite French novel, highlighting its rich atmosphere and complex characters. They express a deep appreciation for the friendship and intricate plots that Dumas weaves throughout the story.
ASIN: 1853260401
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Best for Readers interested in democratic theory and historyOften cited around open democracy vision

it's probably Bernard Manon, The Principles of Representative Government, which was published in 1936.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in democratic theory and history
Key quote: I would have to say that for this particular vision of open democracy, it's probably Bernard Manon, The Principles of Representative Government.
The host mentions Bernard Manon's book as a significant work that explores the emergence of elections as a core principle in representative democracies. It provides insights into the historical context of democratic practices, making it relevant for discussions on modern democratic ideals.
ASIN: 0521458919
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