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The Teen Mental Health Crisis, Part 2

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The Teen Mental Health Crisis, Part 2 mentions Psychoanalytic Diagnosis by Nancy McWilliams, A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders, Of Boys and Men by Richard Reeves, and Under Pressure with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Psychoanalytic Diagnosis
Nancy McWilliams

As a psychologist, a book I go back to again and again was written by another psychologist, Nancy McWilliams.

my favorite graduation gift, so I'm giving it a lot right now, is A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders, which is kind of about Russian lit…

Of Boys and Men
Richard Reeves

And then, as you mentioned, in terms of actual things like suicide, I mean, it's such a horrible phrase, suicide completion, death by suicide, but al…

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The data is clear: Levels of anxiety, depression, self-harm and suicide have spiked for American teenagers over the last decade. Last Friday’s episode with the psychologist Jean Twenge sifted through that data to uncover both the scale of the crisis and its possible causes. Today’s episode focuses on the experiences behind that data: the individuals who are struggling, and what we can do as friends, parents and a broader society to help them. Lisa Damour is a clinical psychologist, the co-host of the podcast “Ask Lisa” and the author of books including “The Emotional Lives of Teenagers: Raising Connected, Capable and Compassionate Adolescents” and “Under Pressure: Confronting the Epidemic of Stress and Anxiety in Girls.” Statistics about teenage mental health are illuminating, but Damour has spent decades working closely with teens, allowing her to fill in some of the gaps in that data and give a nuanced picture of what may be going on. She has emerged from her clinical experience more hopeful about the prospects for helping teens through a life stage — and a moment in history — that poses serious challenges to their well-being. We discuss the neuroscience behind why being a teenager is so emotionally difficult, why Damour doesn’t believe smartphones are primarily to blame for the teen mental health crisis, how overscheduling teens can hurt their social development, why girls experience more anxiety than boys even as they outperform boys in school, which types of smartphone use can be good and bad for young people, the problems with the cultural belief that stress and anxiety should be eliminated at all costs, how to tell the difference between harmful and healthy anxiety, how parents should approach social media use with their children, how all of us can help one another cope with negative emotions and more. Book Recommendations: Psychoanalytic Diagnosis by Nancy McWilliams Transcendent Kingdom by Yaa Gyasi A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders Listen to this podcast in New York Times Audio, our new iOS app for news subscribers. Download now at nytimes.com/audioapp Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact checking by Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Jeff Geld. Our production team is Emefa Agawu, Jeff Geld, Roge Karma and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero and Kristina Samulewski.
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Psychoanalytic Diagnosis
Nancy McWilliams

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A Swim in a Pond in the Rain
George Saunders

The host mentions 'A Swim in a Pond in the Rain' as a significant graduation gift, highlighting its depth beyond just…

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Of Boys and Men
Richard Reeves

The host discusses the challenges boys face in comparison to girls, particularly in terms of mental health and academ…

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Under Pressure

The host mentions 'Under Pressure' to highlight the significant emotional challenges faced by teenagers today, partic…

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The Emotional Lives of Teenagers

The host introduces Lisa DeMoor to discuss her book, which explores the complexities of the emotional lives of teenag…

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Transcendent Kingdom
Yaa Gyasi

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  • Referenced books include Psychoanalytic Diagnosis by Nancy McWilliams and A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders.
  • The strongest audience signal points to Anyone interested in human psychology and Anyone interested in literature and psychology.

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Anyone interested in human psychologyAnyone interested in literature and psychologyParents and educators concerned about boys' mental healthParents and educators concerned about adolescent mental healthParents and educators of teenagersReaders interested in psychology and personal development

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Psychoanalytic Diagnosis
Nancy McWilliams
Best for Anyone interested in human psychologyOften cited around healthy coping strategies

A book I go back to again and again was written by another psychologist, Nancy McWilliams. It's called Psychoanalytic Diagnosis. It's for clinicians, but it's written so thoughtfully and clearly.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Anyone interested in human psychology
Key quote: As a psychologist, a book I go back to again and again was written by another psychologist, Nancy McWilliams.
The host mentions 'Psychoanalytic Diagnosis' by Nancy McWilliams as a valuable resource for understanding human psychology. They emphasize that the book is accessible enough for anyone interested in the subject, not just clinicians.
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A Swim in a Pond in the Rain cover
Best for Anyone interested in literature and psychologyOften cited around influential books recommendation

My favorite graduation gift is A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders, which is kind of about Russian literature, but it's about much, much more than that.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Anyone interested in literature and psychology
Key quote: my favorite graduation gift, so I'm giving it a lot right now, is A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders, which is kind of about Russian literature, but it's about much, much more than that.
The host mentions 'A Swim in a Pond in the Rain' as a significant graduation gift, highlighting its depth beyond just Russian literature. This recommendation suggests that the book offers valuable insights applicable to a broader audience, making it a worthwhile read for many.
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Of Boys and Men
Richard Reeves
Best for Parents and educators concerned about boys' mental healthOften cited around boys and mental health

I was talking about, you know, how badly men are doing compared to women in terms of academic achievement... Richard Reeves of who wrote the book of boys and men on the show a couple months back.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Parents and educators concerned about boys' mental health
Key quote: And then, as you mentioned, in terms of actual things like suicide, I mean, it's such a horrible phrase, suicide completion, death by suicide, but also death through violence.
The host discusses the challenges boys face in comparison to girls, particularly in terms of mental health and academic performance. They reference Richard Reeves' book 'Of Boys and Men' to highlight the concerning data on boys' outcomes in education and mental health.
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Under Pressure cover
Best for Parents and educators concerned about adolescent mental healthOften cited around teenage emotional regulation

You wrote this book, Under Pressure. A recent report from the American Psychological Association found that adolescents can no longer be characterized as an exuberant time of life full of carefree experimentation.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Parents and educators concerned about adolescent mental health
Key quote: A recent report from the American Psychological Association found that adolescents can no longer be characterized as an exuberant time of life full of carefree experimentation, except for during the period of time when they're in a state of depression.
The host mentions 'Under Pressure' to highlight the significant emotional challenges faced by teenagers today, particularly in comparison to previous generations. The book provides insights into how modern pressures and the influx of information contribute to heightened stress levels among adolescents.
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Best for Parents and educators of teenagersOften cited around emotional challenges of teenagers

The lens that I've brought to it in my most recent book, the emotional lives of teenagers, I have a section... that really put girls in an extraordinary advantage.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Parents and educators of teenagers
Key quote: If you pack that much change into a short period of time, it's an inherent loss.
The host introduces Lisa DeMoor to discuss her book, which explores the complexities of the emotional lives of teenagers amidst significant changes. The conversation highlights the inherent stress and challenges that come with adolescence, emphasizing the rapid development and emotional turmoil teenagers face.
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Transcendent Kingdom cover
Best for Readers interested in psychology and personal developmentOften cited around coping with emotions

Personally, I actually just finished a book called Transcendent Kingdom by Yaa Gyasi, a novel, beautiful, about a neuroscientist and also adolescence and development.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in psychology and personal development
Key quote: Personally, I actually just finished a book called Transcendent Kingdom by Yaa Gyasi, a novel, beautiful, about a neuroscientist and also adolescence and development.
The host mentions 'Transcendent Kingdom' in the context of discussing emotional expression and development, highlighting its relevance to understanding adolescence. The book is noted for its exploration of themes related to neuroscience and personal growth.
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Psychoanalytic Diagnosis
The Ezra Klein Show · 1:10:02
As a psychologist, a book I go back to again and again was written by another psychologist, Nancy McWilliams.
A Swim in a Pond in the Rain
The Ezra Klein Show · 1:10:30
my favorite graduation gift, so I'm giving it a lot right now, is A Swim in a Pond in the Rain by George Saunders, which is kind of about Russian lit…
Of Boys and Men
The Ezra Klein Show · 30:31
And then, as you mentioned, in terms of actual things like suicide, I mean, it's such a horrible phrase, suicide completion, death by suicide, but al…
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Psychoanalytic Diagnosis
Nancy McWilliams

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A Swim in a Pond in the Rain
George Saunders

The host mentions 'A Swim in a Pond in the Rain' as a significant graduation gift, highlighting its depth beyond just Russian literature. This reco…

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Of Boys and Men
Richard Reeves

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