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If You Read the G.O.P.’s Anti-Trans Policies, You’ll See What It Really Wants

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If You Read the G.O.P.’s Anti-Trans Policies, You’ll See What It Really Wants mentions Hum and Turn by Gregory Woods, Why We're Polarized, Caliban and the Witch by Silvia Federici, and Can the Monsters Speak by Paul Prashado with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Hum and Turn
Gregory Woods

It is a history of queer life and culture pre-Stonewall from the trial of Oscar Wilde up to just really right before the sexual revolution.

In your book, Why We're Polarized, available in stores now, you reflect on how polarization is not inherently a negative thing.

Caliban and the Witch
Silvia Federici

Caliban and the Witch is about a pandemic followed by a labor shortage, followed by a revanchist movement to assign rigidly strict gender norms onto…

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In the 2023 legislative session alone, Republican state legislators have introduced more than a hundred bills seeking to restrict transgender people’s freedoms, rights and health care access. To put that in perspective, in the 2018 legislative session, fewer than 20 such bills restricting transgender rights were proposed. Over the weekend, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, the commentator Michael Knowles said that “transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely.” These bills have many different aims and often conflicting rationales, but taken together, they reveal the Republican Party’s ambitions to do nothing less than what Knowles suggested. So what are these policies intended to do to the people they target? And why are there so many of them now? Gillian Branstetter is a communications strategist at the American Civil Liberties Union’s Women’s Rights Project and L.G.B.T.Q. and H.I.V. Project. She’s been tracking and studying this wave of legislation, and she guides me through it here. We discuss the attempt by Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas to classify some forms of gender-affirming care as child abuse, why the Republican Party has united around anti-trans policy, how North Carolina’s unsuccessful “bathroom bill” in 2016 transformed the modern right, what gender-affirming care actually is, how Ron DeSantis is trying to build his brand atop this fight, where one might find grounds for hope in trans politics today and much more. Mentioned: “Texas’ Attempt to Tear Parents and Trans Youth Apart, One Year Later” by Brian Klosterboer “What’s so scary about a transgender child?” by Emily St. James “They Paused Puberty, but Is There a Cost?” by Megan Twohey and Christina Jewett “G.O.P. State Lawmakers Push a Growing Wave of Anti-Transgender Bills” by Maggie Astor Book recommendations: Homintern by Gregory Woods Caliban and the Witch by Silvia Federici Can the Monster Speak? by Paul B. Preciado Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld, Rogé Karma and Kristin Lin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Efim Shapiro. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Dr. Jason Rafferty, Lisa Black, Carole Sabouraud and Kristina Samulewski.
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Hum and Turn
Gregory Woods

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Why We're Polarized

The host mentions 'Why We're Polarized' to highlight how polarization can be a necessary force for progress on import…

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Caliban and the Witch
Silvia Federici

The host mentions 'Caliban and the Witch' to highlight the historical context of gender norms and their impact on mar…

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Can the Monsters Speak
Paul Prashado

The host mentions 'Can the Monsters Speak' to highlight the challenges transgender individuals face in being heard an…

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Tango Makes Three

The host mentions 'Tango Makes Three' to highlight the ongoing censorship of LGBTQ+ narratives in children's literatu…

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Two Mommies

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Anyone interested in LGBTQ+ history and culture.Individuals interested in social justice and political dynamicsReaders interested in feminist theory and queer historyIndividuals interested in transgender issues and advocacyEducators and policymakers concerned with children's literature and LGBTQ+ rights.Educators and advocates for LGBTQ+ rights

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Hum and Turn
Gregory Woods
Best for Anyone interested in LGBTQ+ history and culture.Often cited around history of queer life

A history of queer life and culture pre-Stonewall from the trial of Oscar Wilde up to just before the sexual revolution, rich and vibrant.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Anyone interested in LGBTQ+ history and culture.
Key quote: It is a history of queer life and culture pre-Stonewall from the trial of Oscar Wilde up to just really right before the sexual revolution.
The host mentions 'Hum and Turn' to highlight its rich exploration of queer history and culture before the Stonewall era. This book illustrates how individuals sought community and identity in a time when they often felt isolated and alone.
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Best for Individuals interested in social justice and political dynamicsOften cited around polarization in politics

In your book, Why We're Polarized, available in stores now, you reflect on how polarization is not inherently a negative thing. That in fact, polarization is a necessity when moving forward on important progressive issues.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in social justice and political dynamics
Key quote: In your book, Why We're Polarized, available in stores now, you reflect on how polarization is not inherently a negative thing.
The host mentions 'Why We're Polarized' to highlight how polarization can be a necessary force for progress on important issues, particularly in the context of trans rights. They argue that historical consensus often surrounded discriminatory views, making polarization a crucial aspect of advancing justice.
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Caliban and the Witch
Silvia Federici
Best for Readers interested in feminist theory and queer historyOften cited around historical gender norms

About a pandemic followed by a labor shortage and a movement to enforce rigid gender norms targeting queer people and women.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in feminist theory and queer history
Key quote: Caliban and the Witch is about a pandemic followed by a labor shortage, followed by a revanchist movement to assign rigidly strict gender norms onto people that targets queer people and women especially.
The host mentions 'Caliban and the Witch' to highlight the historical context of gender norms and their impact on marginalized groups, particularly during times of crisis. The book discusses how pandemics and societal shifts have led to the enforcement of rigid gender roles that target queer individuals and women.
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Best for Individuals interested in transgender issues and advocacyOften cited around transgender voices in culture

A lecture challenging how transgender voices are not taken seriously by the medical establishment and culture.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in transgender issues and advocacy
Key quote: What he's asserting in this book is he's trying to illustrate and challenge all the ways in which transgender people's voices are not taken seriously by the medical establishment, by the media, by the culture.
The host mentions 'Can the Monsters Speak' to highlight the challenges transgender individuals face in being heard and validated by society. Paul Prashado's work critiques the systemic gatekeeping that often silences these voices, making it essential reading for understanding these dynamics.
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Best for Educators and policymakers concerned with children's literature and LGBTQ+ rights.Often cited around LGBTQ+ representation in media

Tango Makes Three is literally a book about gay penguins, which is part of the discussion around banning books that mention queer people.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Educators and policymakers concerned with children's literature and LGBTQ+ rights.
Key quote: So Tether is Two Mommies and Tango Makes Three, which is literally a book about gay penguins.
The host mentions 'Tango Makes Three' to highlight the ongoing censorship of LGBTQ+ narratives in children's literature, particularly in the context of political legislation. This book serves as an example of how queer identities are being targeted and marginalized in educational settings.
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Best for Educators and advocates for LGBTQ+ rightsOften cited around LGBTQ+ rights legislation

Tether is Two Mommies, mentioned in the context of banning books that discuss queer identities.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Educators and advocates for LGBTQ+ rights
Key quote: So Tether is Two Mommies and Tango Makes Three, which is literally a book about gay penguins.
The host mentions 'Two Mommies' in the context of discussing the implications of recent legislation that targets LGBTQ+ identities, particularly in educational settings. This book, along with others, symbolizes the ongoing struggle against the censorship of queer narratives in schools, reflecting broader societal tensions.
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Hum and Turn
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It is a history of queer life and culture pre-Stonewall from the trial of Oscar Wilde up to just really right before the sexual revolution.
Why We're Polarized
The Ezra Klein Show · 51:14
In your book, Why We're Polarized, available in stores now, you reflect on how polarization is not inherently a negative thing.
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Hum and Turn
Gregory Woods

The host mentions 'Hum and Turn' to highlight its rich exploration of queer history and culture before the Stonewall era. This book illustrates how…

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Why We're Polarized

The host mentions 'Why We're Polarized' to highlight how polarization can be a necessary force for progress on important issues, particularly in th…

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Caliban and the Witch
Silvia Federici

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