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There’s Been a Revolution in How China Is Governed

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There’s Been a Revolution in How China Is Governed mentions From the Soil, The Foundations of Chinese Society by Fei Xiaotong, The Greatest of the Greatest by Benoit Mendelbrod, Fei Xiaotong and Sociology, Inclusive and Unique, and American procedural state by Nicholas Begley with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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And this book might seem unrelated to modern China, which is highly industrialized, but it's actually the best text to understand China, because for…

It is really a fascinating story about a mathematical genius who is not accepted for many, many years by society because his genius was so wide that…

The story behind this man called Fei Xiaotong is that he is one of the very, very few elites in China who was Western educated and was trained at LSE.

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There are few stories that are more crucial to the world’s future than what’s happening in China. Take any of the most important issues of our time — climate change, geopolitics, the global economy, advanced technologies — and China is at the center of them. American politics itself has increasingly come to revolve around competition with China. In other words, what happens in China doesn’t stay in China — it reverberates through the global economy, the American political system and the international order. And a lot is happening in China right now. In November, China experienced what many have called its most significant protests since Tiananmen Square in 1989. In response, Beijing loosened its “zero Covid” policy, demonstrating a level of public responsiveness that shocked many observers of the increasingly authoritarian regime. However, that policy shift also unleashed a huge wave of infections and hospitalizations that puts the country’s immediate future in question. Yuen Yuen Ang is a professor of political economy, a China scholar at Johns Hopkins University and the author of “China’s Gilded Age: The Paradox of Economic Boom and Vast Corruption.” Her basic argument is this: In order to understand what’s happening in China today (and what all of it could mean for its future) you need to first understand China’s unique, often misunderstood political system — one that Ang calls “autocracy with democratic characteristics.” Because we in the West are so fixated on how China selects its leaders, she argues, we’ve overlooked a more subtle but far more consequential revolution in how China is governed. That transformation of the Chinese political system is the deeper story behind both the country’s economic success — as well as its current troubles. And it provides an illuminating lens through which to view American politics as well. Mentioned: “An Era Just Ended in China” by Yuen Yuen Ang “The Problem With Zero” by Yuen Yuen Ang “The Procedure Fetish” by Nicholas Bagley Book Recommendations: From The Soil by Fei Xiaotong Fei Xiaotong and Sociology in Revolutionary China by R. David Arkush The Fractalist by Benoit Mandelbrot Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld, Rogé Karma and Kristin Lin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris and Kate Sinclair. Original music by Isaac Jones. Mixing by Jeff Geld. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Carole Sabouraud and Kristina Samulewski.
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From the Soil, The Foundations of Chinese Society
Fei Xiaotong

The host emphasizes the importance of Fei Xiaotong's book 'From the Soil, The Foundations of Chinese Society' as esse…

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The Greatest of the Greatest
Benoit Mendelbrod

The host mentions 'The Greatest of the Greatest' to highlight the importance of reading outside one's primary field o…

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Fei Xiaotong and Sociology, Inclusive and Unique

The host mentions 'Fei Xiaotong and Sociology, Inclusive and Unique' as a crucial book for understanding the ideas be…

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American procedural state
Nicholas Begley

The host references Nicholas Begley's 'American Procedural State' to explore the changing basis of legitimacy in gove…

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From the Soil, The Foundations of Chinese Society cover
Best for Anyone interested in Chinese history and societyOften cited around understanding Chinese society

This book might seem unrelated to modern China, but it's actually the best text to understand China, as many political systems and social norms are based on it.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Anyone interested in Chinese history and society
Key quote: And this book might seem unrelated to modern China, which is highly industrialized, but it's actually the best text to understand China, because for thousands of years, China was an agrarian society.
The host emphasizes the importance of Fei Xiaotong's book 'From the Soil, The Foundations of Chinese Society' as essential for understanding the historical context of modern China. Despite China's industrialization, the book provides deep insights into the enduring social norms and political systems rooted in its agrarian past.
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The Greatest of the Greatest cover
Best for Readers interested in creativity and interdisciplinary insightsOften cited around books influencing understanding of China

This autobiography tells the story of a mathematical genius who faced societal rejection and was only tenured at Yale at the age of 75.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in creativity and interdisciplinary insights
Key quote: It is really a fascinating story about a mathematical genius who is not accepted for many, many years by society because his genius was so wide that it could not fit in any given disciplinary box.
The host mentions 'The Greatest of the Greatest' to highlight the importance of reading outside one's primary field of study. This book provides insights into creativity and the struggles faced by a mathematical genius, which can offer fresh perspectives on other subjects, including China.
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Fei Xiaotong and Sociology, Inclusive and Unique cover
Best for Readers interested in Chinese sociology and anthropologyOften cited around understanding modern China

This biography of Fei Xiaotong is important to understand contemporary China and the story behind his ideas.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in Chinese sociology and anthropology
Key quote: The story behind this man called Fei Xiaotong is that he is one of the very, very few elites in China who was Western educated and was trained at LSE.
The host mentions 'Fei Xiaotong and Sociology, Inclusive and Unique' as a crucial book for understanding the ideas behind Fei Xiaotong's work. The host emphasizes the importance of reading about the life of Fei Xiaotong to gain deeper insights into contemporary China.
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American procedural state cover
Best for Political scientists and students of governanceOften cited around legitimacy in governance

A quote from Nicholas Begley discussing the legitimacy of government and its perception by the public.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Political scientists and students of governance
Key quote: Legitimacy arises more generally from the perception that government is capable, informed, prompt, responsive, and fair.
The host references Nicholas Begley's 'American Procedural State' to explore the changing basis of legitimacy in governance, particularly in China under Xi Jinping. The discussion highlights the contrast between procedural legitimacy and the perception of government effectiveness in both China and America.
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From the Soil, The Foundations of Chinese Society
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