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There’s Been a Massive Change in Where American Policy Gets Made

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There’s Been a Massive Change in Where American Policy Gets Made mentions Dynamic Democracy by Devin Coey and Chris Warshaw, State Capture by Alex Hurtel Fernandez, Laboratories Against Democracy by Jake Grumbach, and Pathways Out of Dixie by Rob Mickey with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Dynamic Democracy
Devin Coey and Chris Warshaw

Two scholars that have, I think, really innovated and revolutionized the study of public opinion and policy responsiveness in the states is Devin Coe…

State Capture
Alex Hurtel Fernandez

As Alex Hurtel Fernandez in his book State Capture really shows, this is about a really brilliant strategy to invest in state level politics by netwo…

But the reality is muddier.

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Since 2021, Democrats have controlled the House, the Senate and the presidency, and they’ve used that power to pass consequential legislation, from the American Rescue Plan to the Inflation Reduction Act. That state of affairs was exceptional: In the 50 years between 1970 and 2020, the U.S. House, Senate and presidency were only under unified party control for 14 years. Divided government has become the norm in American politics. And since Republicans won back the House in November, it is about to become the reality once again. But that doesn’t mean policymaking is going to stop — far from it. As America’s national politics have become more and more gridlocked in recent decades, many consequential policy decisions have been increasingly pushed down to the state level. The ability to receive a legal abortion or use recreational marijuana; how easy it is to join a union, purchase a firearm or vote in elections; the tax rates we pay and the kind of health insurance we have access to: These decisions are being determined at the state level to an extent not seen since before the civil rights revolution of the mid-twentieth century. Jake Grumbach is a political scientist at the University of Washington and the author of the book “Laboratories Against Democracy: How National Parties Transformed State Politics.” In it, Grumbach tracks this shift in policymaking to the states and explores its implications for American politics. Our national mythologies present state government as less polarizing, more accountable to voters and a hedge against anti-democratic forces amassing too much power. But, as Grumbach shows, in an era of national political media, parties and identities, the truth is a lot more complicated. So this conversation is a guide to the level of government that we tend to pay the least attention to, even as it shapes our lives more than any other. Mentioned: Dynamic Democracy by Devin Caughey and Christopher Warshaw “Does money have a conservative bias? Estimating the causal impact of Citizens United on state legislative preferences” by Anna Harvey and Taylor Mattia State Capture by Alex Hertel-Fernandez “From the Bargaining Table to the Ballot Box” by James Feigenbaum, Alexander Hertel-Fernandez and Vanessa Williamson Paths Out of Dixie by Robert Mickey “Old Money: Campaign Finance and Gerontocracy in the United States” by Adam Bonica and Jake Grumbach Book Recommendations: Fragmented Democracy by Jamila Michener Private Government by Elizabeth Anderson Dilla Time by Dan Charnas Thoughts? Email us at [email protected]. (And if you’re reaching out to recommend a guest, please write “Guest Suggestion” in the subject line.) You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld, Rogé Karma and Kristin Lin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris and Kate Sinclair. Original music by Isaac Jones. Mixing by Jeff Geld. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta.
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Dynamic Democracy
Devin Coey and Chris Warshaw

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State Capture
Alex Hurtel Fernandez

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Jake Grumbach

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Rob Mickey

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Dynamic Democracy
Devin Coey and Chris Warshaw
Best for Political scientists and policymakersOften cited around public opinion and policy responsiveness

Two scholars that have really innovated and revolutionized the study of public opinion and policy responsiveness in the states is Devin Coey and Chris Warshaw in their new book, Dynamic Democracy.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Political scientists and policymakers
Key quote: Two scholars that have, I think, really innovated and revolutionized the study of public opinion and policy responsiveness in the states is Devin Coey and Chris Warshaw in their new book, Dynamic Democracy.
The host mentions 'Dynamic Democracy' to highlight the innovative research by Coey and Warshaw on how public opinion correlates with state policies. This book provides insights into the dynamics of trust in state versus federal governments and the implications for democracy in the U.S.
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State Capture
Alex Hurtel Fernandez
Best for Political scientists and policymakersOften cited around state level politics impact

Alex Hurtel Fernandez in his book State Capture really shows, this is about a really brilliant strategy to invest in state level politics by networks of government.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Political scientists and policymakers
Key quote: As Alex Hurtel Fernandez in his book State Capture really shows, this is about a really brilliant strategy to invest in state level politics by networks of government.
The host mentions 'State Capture' to illustrate how strategic investments in state-level politics can significantly influence national power dynamics. The book provides a detailed analysis of how certain policies, like right to work laws, have been used to shift political power in favor of specific parties.
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Best for Political scientists and policymakersOften cited around state level policymaking

Jake Grumbach is a political scientist at the University of Washington and author of the book Laboratories Against Democracy.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Political scientists and policymakers
Key quote: But the reality is muddier.
The host mentions 'Laboratories Against Democracy' to highlight the shift of policy power from national to state levels, emphasizing the complexities and challenges this presents. Grumbach argues that while states are perceived as accountable to voters, they are often influenced by interest groups and contribute to democratic backsliding.
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Best for Political scientists and policymakersOften cited around democratic backsliding in states

Rob Mickey's book, Pathways Out of Dixie, really shows that was one of the last sort of anti-democracy Jim Crow regimes to break down.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Political scientists and policymakers
Key quote: North Carolina is my favorite case because Rob Mickey's book, Pathways Out of Dixie, really shows that was one of the last sort of anti-democracy Jim Crow regimes to break down.
The host mentions Rob Mickey's book, 'Pathways Out of Dixie,' to illustrate the historical context of North Carolina's democratic evolution and subsequent decline. The book serves as a critical reference point for understanding the polarization of democracy across states in recent decades.
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Dynamic Democracy
Devin Coey and Chris Warshaw

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State Capture
Alex Hurtel Fernandez

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Laboratories Against Democracy
Jake Grumbach

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