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The Subtle Art of Appreciating ‘Difficult Beauty’

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The Subtle Art of Appreciating ‘Difficult Beauty’ mentions Easy Beauty by Chloe Cooper Jones, Iris Murdoch, Ages for Hawk by Helen MacDonald, and Staring by Rosemary Garland Thompson with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Easy Beauty
Chloe Cooper Jones

Jones argues that beauty doesn't just make life more fully worth living.

She just says. Look, we all this. There's no judgment in this.

Ages for Hawk
Helen MacDonald

I think actually it's a cultural and historical sort of history of the act of staring.

Episode summary
When is the last time you paused — truly paused the flow of life — to appreciate something beautiful? For as long as we know, humans have sought out beauty, believing deeply that beautiful things and experiences can enhance our lives. But what does beauty really do to us? How can it fundamentally alter our experience of the world? Beauty is always “teaching me something about my own mind,” says the writer and philosopher Chloé Cooper Jones. In her book, “Easy Beauty,” Jones takes readers on a journey across the globe and into her intimate family life to explore what beauty has done for her and what it can potentially do for all of us. At the core of Jones’s book — and of this conversation — is a distinction between two radically different kinds of beauty. On the one hand, there’s “easy beauty”: a Renaissance painting, a sunset, a deliciously prepared meal. Easy beauty includes the kinds of things we are taught to consider beautiful. But Jones argues there’s also a deeper form of beauty — a “difficult beauty,” which can be found in places that may initially strike us as mundane, messy, even ugly. That is, if we clear the space within our own minds long enough to look for it. This conversation also explores how Jones’s relationship to her disabled body has changed over time, what it means to appreciate the physical world more fully, how all of us are affected by our society’s crushing physical beauty standards, how Jones has created a “neutral room” in her mind to cope with those difficult standards, what attending a Beyoncé concert taught her about “radical presence,” what a celebrity party Peter Dinklage attended revealed about how far we need to go in respecting different bodies, why it is worth it to “make friends” with the idea that we may all become disabled or incapacitated at some point, how children reflect and reveal parts of ourselves we didn’t even know existed, what advice she has for those of us who spend very little time considering beauty but could benefit from it as Jones has, and more. Book Recommendations: Staring by Rosemarie Garland-Thomson H is for Hawk by Helen Macdonald Romance in Marseille by Claude McKay This episode is guest-hosted by Tressie McMillan Cottom (@tressiemcphd), a sociologist and writer whose work focuses on higher education policy, race, beauty and more. She is a Times Opinion columnist and the author of “Thick: And Other Essays,” which was a finalist for the National Book Award, and “Lower Ed: The Troubling Rise of For-Profit Colleges in the New Economy.” Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Sonia Herrero and Isaac Jones; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.
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Easy Beauty
Chloe Cooper Jones

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Iris Murdoch

The host discusses Iris Murdoch's philosophical insights on beauty and its transformative power. They emphasize how e…

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Ages for Hawk
Helen MacDonald

The host mentioned 'Ages for Hawk' to highlight how the book intertwines themes of grief, memory, and the unexpected…

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Staring
Rosemary Garland Thompson

The host discusses the profound disconnect between one's internal self and external perceptions, as explored in 'Star…

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Iris Murdoch's ideas

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Little Women

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Romance in Marseille
Claude McKay

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  • A second recurring theme is disability in popular culture.
  • Referenced books include Easy Beauty by Chloe Cooper Jones and Iris Murdoch.
  • The strongest audience signal points to Readers interested in philosophy, beauty, and personal identity and Readers interested in philosophy and personal development.

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Easy Beauty
Chloe Cooper Jones
Best for Readers interested in philosophy, beauty, and personal identityOften cited around exploring beauty standards

In her recent book, Easy Beauty, Jones explores beauty in its many, many forms. She thinks about what beauty standards mean in a world that completely excludes disabled bodies, like her own, from the realm of envy and desire.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in philosophy, beauty, and personal identity
Key quote: Jones argues that beauty doesn't just make life more fully worth living.
The host mentions 'Easy Beauty' to highlight Chloe Cooper Jones's profound exploration of beauty standards, particularly in relation to disabled bodies. The discussion emphasizes how beauty can influence our lives and relationships, making it a compelling topic for listeners.
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Best for Readers interested in philosophy and personal developmentOften cited around philosophy of beauty

The sort of explicit thesis at the heart of easy beauty comes really from an interaction or or will to test the hypothesis of the novelist and philosopher Iris Murdoch, who argues that if we want to change our behavior in any sort of way, we need to make some sort of change in ourselves.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in philosophy and personal development
Key quote: She just says. Look, we all this. There's no judgment in this.
The host discusses Iris Murdoch's philosophical insights on beauty and its transformative power. They emphasize how engaging with beauty can expand one's consciousness and lead to personal growth and behavioral change.
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Ages for Hawk
Helen MacDonald
Best for Readers interested in literary theory and personal reflectionOften cited around beauty in unexpected places

Another book that I learned a lot from just in the way that it's structured and the way that it brings really disparate ideas together...

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in literary theory and personal reflection
Key quote: I think actually it's a cultural and historical sort of history of the act of staring.
The host mentioned 'Ages for Hawk' to highlight how the book intertwines themes of grief, memory, and the unexpected connections we make in life. It serves as an example of how disparate ideas can come together to create a deeper understanding of beauty and experience.
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Staring
Rosemary Garland Thompson
Best for Readers interested in disability, identity, and the mind-body connection.Often cited around mind and body relationship

A book that played a huge role in how I thought about Easy Beauty is Rosemary Garland Thompson's book, Staring, which is an academic work, but...

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in disability, identity, and the mind-body connection.
Key quote: And this is a space that I call the neutral room in the book.
The host discusses the profound disconnect between one's internal self and external perceptions, as explored in 'Staring' by Rosemary Garland Thompson. This book resonates with the host's personal experiences of navigating pain and identity, highlighting the importance of understanding this relationship.
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Best for writers and academics interested in disability representationOften cited around disability in popular culture

The mention of Iris Murdoch's ideas relates to the concept of immersing oneself in the mind of a real person to shift perceptions of disability.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: writers and academics interested in disability representation
Key quote: if you can spend 288 pages deep in the mind of a very real full person, then maybe that will shift in inches your concept of the reality of a disabled life.
The host mentions Iris Murdoch's ideas to emphasize the importance of presenting a full and real person in literature, particularly in the context of disability. This approach aims to shift perceptions and behaviors regarding disabled lives by immersing readers in authentic narratives.
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Best for Readers interested in disability studies and literary criticism.Often cited around disability representation in literature

The role that disability has largely played in a lot of our cultural narratives is compared to the character Beth from Little Women, who dies and helps others recognize their reality.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Readers interested in disability studies and literary criticism.
Key quote: Beth just dies. Right. Beth is just sick and she's an angel.
The host mentions 'Little Women' to highlight the problematic portrayal of disability in literature, particularly through the character of Beth. This reference serves to illustrate how disabled characters are often depicted as angelic figures without agency or depth, reinforcing harmful narratives.
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Best for Readers interested in themes of love and disability in literature.Often cited around unexpected sources of beauty

And then a book I read really recently is Claude McKay's Romance in Marseille, a book that was written, I think, like 87 years ago...

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in themes of love and disability in literature.
Key quote: a book I read really recently is Claude McKay's Romance in Marseille, a book that was written, I think, like 87 years ago.
The host mentioned 'Romance in Marseille' to illustrate how beauty can emerge from unexpected places rather than traditional cultural sites. This aligns with the broader theme of appreciating moments that may not fit societal expectations.
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Easy Beauty
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Jones argues that beauty doesn't just make life more fully worth living.
Iris Murdoch
The Ezra Klein Show · 13:53
She just says. Look, we all this. There's no judgment in this.
Ages for Hawk
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I think actually it's a cultural and historical sort of history of the act of staring.
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Easy Beauty
Chloe Cooper Jones

The host mentions 'Easy Beauty' to highlight Chloe Cooper Jones's profound exploration of beauty standards, particularly in relation to disabled bo…

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Iris Murdoch

The host discusses Iris Murdoch's philosophical insights on beauty and its transformative power. They emphasize how engaging with beauty can expand…

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Ages for Hawk
Helen MacDonald

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