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The Argument: Who Can Write About What?

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The Argument: Who Can Write About What? mentions The Pity of the Elites by Jay Caspian Kang, Bad Feminist by Roxanne Gay, Hunger by Roxanne Gay, and White Fever Dreams by Roxanne Gay with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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The Pity of the Elites
Jay Caspian Kang

There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.

Bad Feminist
Roxanne Gay

There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.

Hunger
Roxanne Gay

There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.

Episode summary
Today we're bringing you an episode from our friends at The Argument, about cultural appropriation in creative work. In recent years, book written by white authors like “American Dirt” and “The Help" have been criticized for their portrayals of characters of color. Artists’ job is to imagine and create, but what do we do when they get it wrong? To discuss, Jane Coaston is joined by the Opinion writers Roxane Gay and Jay Caspian Kang. In their work, both have thought deeply about the thorny issues of writing across identities — including what makes work authentic, the pressure of representation for writers of color and the roles social media and the publishing industry play in literary criticism. “I don’t think it’s that complicated,” Roxane says. “It’s not that we divorce identity from the conversation. It’s that we treat it as inherent because we can’t separate out parts of ourselves.” Mentioned: “White Fever Dreams” by Roxane Gay in Gay Magazine “The Pity of the Elites” by Jay Caspian Kang Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Rollin Hu, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair; original music by Isaac Jones and Pat McCusker; mixing by Pat McCusker; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.
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The Pity of the Elites
Jay Caspian Kang

The host mentions 'The Pity of the Elites' to highlight the need for genuine intellectual engagement with works produ…

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Bad Feminist
Roxanne Gay

The host mentions 'Bad Feminist' to highlight the challenges faced by creators of color regarding the quality of crit…

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Hunger
Roxanne Gay

The host mentions 'Hunger' by Roxanne Gay to highlight the challenges faced by marginalized creators in receiving gen…

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White Fever Dreams
Roxanne Gay

The host discusses the need for genuine intellectual engagement with works by creators of color, highlighting the oft…

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American Dirt

The host discusses the issues surrounding cultural representation in literature, particularly focusing on the book 'A…

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Native Son

The host mentions 'Native Son' to illustrate the complexities of identity in writing, particularly for marginalized v…

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The Help

The host discusses the cultural implications of the book 'The Help' and critiques its portrayal of black maids by a w…

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  • Referenced books include The Pity of the Elites by Jay Caspian Kang and Bad Feminist by Roxanne Gay.
  • The strongest audience signal points to Writers and critics interested in cultural criticism and Writers and critics interested in media representation.

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Writers and critics interested in cultural criticismWriters and critics interested in media representationReaders interested in literary criticism and representation in literatureReaders interested in literary criticism and cultural representationYoung journalists and writers exploring identityReaders interested in cultural criticism and identity in literature.

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The Pity of the Elites
Jay Caspian Kang
Best for Writers and critics interested in cultural criticismOften cited around critical engagement with work

You can read them in their pieces, The Pity of the Elites by Jay Caspian Kang and his newsletter for New York Times Opinion.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Writers and critics interested in cultural criticism
Key quote: There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.
The host mentions 'The Pity of the Elites' to highlight the need for genuine intellectual engagement with works produced by creators of color. They express frustration over a critical culture that often fails to provide honest feedback, instead opting for superficial praise.
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Bad Feminist
Roxanne Gay
Best for Writers and critics interested in media representationOften cited around representation in media

Roxanne Gay is a contributing opinion writer and the author of multiple books, including Hunger and Bad Feminist.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Writers and critics interested in media representation
Key quote: There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.
The host mentions 'Bad Feminist' to highlight the challenges faced by creators of color regarding the quality of criticism they receive. They emphasize the need for deeper engagement with the work rather than superficial praise based on representation.
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Hunger
Roxanne Gay
Best for Writers and critics interested in media representationOften cited around Critique of representation in media

Roxanne Gay is a contributing opinion writer and the author of multiple books, including Hunger and Bad Feminist.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Writers and critics interested in media representation
Key quote: There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.
The host mentions 'Hunger' by Roxanne Gay to highlight the challenges faced by marginalized creators in receiving genuine critical engagement with their work. The discussion emphasizes the need for a more nuanced and honest critique rather than superficial praise based on representation.
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Best for Readers interested in literary criticism and representation in literatureOften cited around critical engagement with work

You can read them in their pieces, White Fever Dreams by Roxanne Gay, published in Gay Magazine.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Readers interested in literary criticism and representation in literature
Key quote: There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.
The host discusses the need for genuine intellectual engagement with works by creators of color, highlighting the often superficial nature of reviews. Roxanne Gay's 'White Fever Dreams' is mentioned as part of a broader critique of the critical culture that fails to engage deeply with such works.
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American Dirt cover
Best for Readers interested in literary criticism and cultural representationOften cited around Cultural representation in literature

A controversial book about a Mexican woman and her son escaping cartel violence, criticized for its inaccuracies and representation.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Readers interested in literary criticism and cultural representation
Key quote: When you look at a book like American Dirt, it's a bad book.
The host discusses the issues surrounding cultural representation in literature, particularly focusing on the book 'American Dirt.' They critique the author's lack of authenticity and accuracy in portraying the experiences of marginalized communities.
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Native Son cover
Best for Young journalists and writers exploring identityOften cited around writing about identity

A book that features a main character who commits murder, raising questions about identity and representation in literature.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Young journalists and writers exploring identity
Key quote: I went to like a majority white Catholic high school and we read the book Native Son.
The host mentions 'Native Son' to illustrate the complexities of identity in writing, particularly for marginalized voices. They reflect on their own experience with the book and how it shaped their understanding of expectations placed on writers regarding their identities.
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Best for Readers interested in cultural criticism and identity in literature.Often cited around The Help Problem

A book about black maids in the Deep South that sparked a cultural debate about identity and representation in writing.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Readers interested in cultural criticism and identity in literature.
Key quote: It's a bad movie. But separate from being a bad movie, the book it's based on is a bad attempt by a white woman to write what she thought black people in the South at a different time from the time she lived in would have been like.
The host discusses the cultural implications of the book 'The Help' and critiques its portrayal of black maids by a white author. This leads to a broader conversation about who gets to write across identity lines and the consequences of doing so poorly.
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The Pity of the Elites
The Ezra Klein Show · 28:03
There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.
Bad Feminist
The Ezra Klein Show · 27:44
There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.
Hunger
The Ezra Klein Show · 27:44
There have been some books in the past couple of years where it's like, guys, come on. Let's just all admit it was a bad book.
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The Pity of the Elites cover
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The Pity of the Elites
Jay Caspian Kang

The host mentions 'The Pity of the Elites' to highlight the need for genuine intellectual engagement with works produced by creators of color. They…

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Mentioned at 27:44
Bad Feminist
Roxanne Gay

The host mentions 'Bad Feminist' to highlight the challenges faced by creators of color regarding the quality of criticism they receive. They empha…

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Mentioned at 27:44
Hunger
Roxanne Gay

The host mentions 'Hunger' by Roxanne Gay to highlight the challenges faced by marginalized creators in receiving genuine critical engagement with…

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Movies & Documentaries Mentioned

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Crazy Rich Asians

Confidence: 90%

The mention of 'Crazy Rich Asians' highlights the contrast between representation in media and real-life experiences, particularly in the context of Asian-American identity.

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Do the Right Thing

Confidence: 90%

The discussion references 'Do the Right Thing' to illustrate the complexities of race and identity through a powerful scene involving a Korean store owner.

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Stonewall

Confidence: 80%

The mention of a 'Stonewall movie' reflects on the quality of representation in queer cinema and the desire for better storytelling.