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Emily St. John Mandel on Time Travel, Parenting and the Apocalypse

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Emily St. John Mandel on Time Travel, Parenting and the Apocalypse mentions Station Eleven by Emily St. John Mandel, The Philosopher by Nick Bostrom, Sea of Tranquility by Emily St. John Mandel, and A Paradise Built in Hell by Rebecca Solnit with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Station Eleven
Emily St. John Mandel

It helps you grieve a life you still have.

The Philosopher
Nick Bostrom

But I always think his argument is interesting in being both a good argument for it and a wonderful argument against it.

Sea of Tranquility
Emily St. John Mandel

We long secretly for a world with less technology in it.

Episode summary
“Station Eleven” by Emily St. John Mandel was published in 2014. That book imagined the world after a pandemic had wiped out, well, almost everyone. It’s a gorgeous novel with a particular emotional power: it helps you grieve a life you still have. But then came a real pandemic, not as lethal as the one Mandel imagined, but a shock nonetheless. And “Station Eleven” — already a beloved international best seller — found a second life. Mandel became known as a pandemic prophet. “Station Eleven” became an acclaimed HBO Max series. “Sea of Tranquility” by Mandel is written from within the hothouse of that strange kind of celebrity. The author put a version of herself in there, struggling with fame and parenthood and quarantine and too much travel. But there are also moon colonies, and time travel, and hints that we live in a computer simulation. If “Station Eleven” explores how calamity could change the world, “Sea of Tranquility” wonders what happens if it doesn’t. This conversation begins in the weirdness of the simulation hypothesis, but winds its way to much more fundamental questions of being human right now. There is so much we could lose, so much we already have lost; why is it so hard to live with the gratitude our lives should inspire, or the seriousness the moment demands? Mentioned: “The Power of Patience” by Jennifer L. Roberts This Time Tomorrow by Emma Straub “Are We Living in a Computer Simulation?” by Nick Bostrom Book recommendations: Scary Monsters by Michelle de Kretser Ill Will by Dan Chaon Suite Française by Irène Némirovsky Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Our executive producer is Irene Noguchi. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.
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Station Eleven
Emily St. John Mandel

The host discusses the significance of 'Station Eleven' in the context of the pandemic, highlighting its emotional re…

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The Philosopher
Nick Bostrom

The host mentions 'The Philosopher' by Nick Bostrom to explore the intriguing arguments surrounding the simulation hy…

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Sea of Tranquility
Emily St. John Mandel

The host discusses how Emily St. John Mandel's new novel, Sea of Tranquility, reflects on themes from her previous wo…

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A Paradise Built in Hell
Rebecca Solnit

The host mentions 'A Paradise Built in Hell' to illustrate how people often come together in times of crisis, counter…

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The Candy House

The host mentions 'The Candy House' in relation to the concept of simulation and how narratives shape our understandi…

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Readers interested in post-apocalyptic literature and its societal implications.philosophy enthusiasts and science fiction readersReaders interested in post-apocalyptic themes and philosophical explorations of reality.Readers interested in human psychology and social behavior during crisesReaders interested in historical fiction and the philosophy of memory

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Station Eleven
Emily St. John Mandel
Best for Readers interested in post-apocalyptic literature and its societal implications.Often cited around post-apocalyptic fiction

A novel that has meant a lot to me, that I read before the pandemic, that I reread after the pandemic, and that imagines the world after a pandemic has wiped out almost everyone.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in post-apocalyptic literature and its societal implications.
Key quote: It helps you grieve a life you still have.
The host discusses the significance of 'Station Eleven' in the context of the pandemic, highlighting its emotional resonance and how it has gained renewed relevance. The mention serves to connect the themes of the book with the current societal reflections on technology and reality, especially in light of the author's new work.
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The Philosopher
Nick Bostrom
Best for philosophy enthusiasts and science fiction readersOften cited around simulation theory arguments

To prepare for this, we reread Nick Bostrom's The Philosopher, which is very good and fun, and presents interesting arguments for and against the simulation hypothesis.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: philosophy enthusiasts and science fiction readers
Key quote: But I always think his argument is interesting in being both a good argument for it and a wonderful argument against it.
The host mentions 'The Philosopher' by Nick Bostrom to explore the intriguing arguments surrounding the simulation hypothesis. They appreciate how Bostrom presents both sides of the argument, making it a compelling read for those interested in the nature of reality.
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Sea of Tranquility
Emily St. John Mandel
Best for Readers interested in post-apocalyptic themes and philosophical explorations of reality.Often cited around post-apocalyptic fiction

Her new novel, which is a meditation on both the themes of Station Eleven and what it was like to have written that book during a pandemic.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in post-apocalyptic themes and philosophical explorations of reality.
Key quote: We long secretly for a world with less technology in it.
The host discusses how Emily St. John Mandel's new novel, Sea of Tranquility, reflects on themes from her previous work, Station Eleven, particularly in the context of the pandemic. The book explores profound ideas about reality and our relationship with technology, making it a significant read in today's world.
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Best for Readers interested in human psychology and social behavior during crisesOften cited around human behavior in calamity

This book is about the ways people come together after calamity, countering the idea that society falls into chaos.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in human psychology and social behavior during crises
Key quote: It reminds me of this book by Rebecca Solnit, A Paradise Built in Hell, which is all about the ways people come together after calamity.
The host mentions 'A Paradise Built in Hell' to illustrate how people often come together in times of crisis, countering the narrative of chaos and selfishness. This book serves as a reminder that human connection and cooperation can flourish even in dire circumstances.
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The Candy House cover
Best for Readers interested in historical fiction and the philosophy of memoryOften cited around simulation and narrative

That's the new Jennifer Egan novel, too. Same idea.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in historical fiction and the philosophy of memory
Key quote: That is the new Jennifer Egan novel, too. That is. Yes. The Candy House.
The host mentions 'The Candy House' in relation to the concept of simulation and how narratives shape our understanding of reality. They highlight the book's exploration of memory and storytelling, suggesting that it provides valuable insights into the human experience.
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Station Eleven
Emily St. John Mandel

The host discusses the significance of 'Station Eleven' in the context of the pandemic, highlighting its emotional resonance and how it has gained…

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The Philosopher
Nick Bostrom

The host mentions 'The Philosopher' by Nick Bostrom to explore the intriguing arguments surrounding the simulation hypothesis. They appreciate how…

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Sea of Tranquility
Emily St. John Mandel

The host discusses how Emily St. John Mandel's new novel, Sea of Tranquility, reflects on themes from her previous work, Station Eleven, particular…

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Movies & Documentaries Mentioned

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Everything Everywhere All at Once

Confidence: 90%

Remarkable movie, but it's multiverse fiction. There's a lot of simulation fiction out there right now, including yours.

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Station Eleven

Confidence: 90%

Station Eleven became an HBO Max limited series, one of the year's best shows by wide agreement.

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Palm Springs

Confidence: 80%

There just seems to me right now to be a huge boom in multiverse and simulation plots, including time loop fiction like Palm Springs.