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Best Of: How Octopuses Upend What We Know About Ourselves

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Notable books mentioned: Other Minds by Peter Godfrey Smith, Children of Ruin, The Extended Mind by Annie Murphy Paul, The Outermost House by Henry Beston

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Other Minds
Peter Godfrey Smith

The host mentions 'Other Minds' to explore the complexities of consciousness and communication across species, particularly focusing on octopuses.…

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Children of Ruin

The host discusses the growing fascination with octopuses and their complex behaviors, highlighting the book 'Children of Ruin' as part of this tre…

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The Extended Mind
Annie Murphy Paul

The host mentioned 'The Extended Mind' to explore the concept of embodied cognition and how our subconscious can process information differently th…

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Best Of: How Octopuses Upend What We Know About Ourselves mentions Other Minds by Peter Godfrey Smith, Children of Ruin, The Extended Mind by Annie Murphy Paul, and The Outermost House by Henry Beston with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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I’ve been on an octopus kick for a little while now. In that, I don’t seem to be alone. Octopuses (it’s incorrect to say “octopi,” to my despair) are having a moment: There are award-winning books, documentaries and even science fiction about them. I suspect it’s the same hunger that leaves many of us yearning to know aliens: How do radically different minds work? What is it like to be a truly different being living in a similar world? The flying objects above remain unidentified. But the incomprehensible objects below do not. We are starting to be smart enough to ask the question: How smart are octopuses? And what are their lives like? Sy Montgomery is a naturalist and the author of dozens of books on animals. In 2015 she published the dazzling book “The Soul of an Octopus,” which became a finalist for the National Book Award in nonfiction. It’s an investigation not only into the lives and minds of octopuses but also into the relationships they can and do have with human beings. This was one of those conversations that are hard to describe, but it was a joy to have. Montgomery writes and speaks with an appropriate sense of wonder about the world around us and the other animals that inhabit it. This is a conversation about octopuses, of course, but it’s also about us: our minds, our relationship with the natural world, what we see and what we’ve learned to stop seeing. It will leave you looking at the water — and maybe at yourself — differently. Book recommendations: The Outermost House by Henry Beston The Old Way by Elizabeth Marshall Thomas King Solomon's Ring by Konrad Lorenz You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Mary Marge Locker and Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld, audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin.
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  • Referenced books include Other Minds by Peter Godfrey Smith and Children of Ruin.
  • The strongest audience signal points to Readers interested in philosophy, consciousness, and animal behavior. and Readers interested in animal intelligence and relationships.

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Highly Recommended(4)Deep Dive(3)
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Readers interested in philosophy, consciousness, and animal behavior.Readers interested in animal intelligence and relationshipsReaders interested in psychology and cognitive scienceReaders interested in animal behavior and philosophyReaders interested in anthropology and human-animal relationshipsAnyone interested in animal behavior and ethology.

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Other Minds
Peter Godfrey Smith
Best for Readers interested in philosophy, consciousness, and animal behavior.Often cited around understanding different minds

There's Peter Godfrey Smith's Other Minds.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in philosophy, consciousness, and animal behavior.
Key quote: If I have a soul, and I think I do, an octopus has a soul too.
The host mentions 'Other Minds' to explore the complexities of consciousness and communication across species, particularly focusing on octopuses. This book raises profound questions about our understanding of intelligence and relationships in the natural world.
ASIN: 0374537194
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Best for Readers interested in animal intelligence and relationshipsOften cited around octopus intelligence and friendship

The speaker mentions reading a book titled 'Children of Ruin' in the context of discussing human and octopus cognition.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in animal intelligence and relationships
Key quote: There’s Andrei Tchaikovsky’s great sci-fi book about octopus society, Children of Ruin.
The host discusses the growing fascination with octopuses and their complex behaviors, highlighting the book 'Children of Ruin' as part of this trend. This book, along with others, explores the unique nature of octopus society and their relationships with humans.
ASIN: B07RB7WQR3
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The Extended Mind
Annie Murphy Paul
Best for Readers interested in psychology and cognitive scienceOften cited around human cognition and intelligence

The speaker refers to 'The Extended Mind' by Annie Murphy Paul, discussing embodied cognition and subconscious calculations.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in psychology and cognitive science
Key quote: And she talks about embodied cognition and the ways in which we seem to, do some level of calculation at some subconscious level that is picked up by our body before it is picked up by conscious thought.
The host mentioned 'The Extended Mind' to explore the concept of embodied cognition and how our subconscious can process information differently than our conscious thought. This discussion highlights the parallels between human cognition and that of other species, emphasizing the need to recognize our similarities with them.
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Best for Readers interested in animal behavior and philosophyOften cited around intelligence in animals

A quote from this book serves as a motto for the speaker's writing, emphasizing a mystical concept of animals.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in animal behavior and philosophy
Key quote: we need another and a wiser and perhaps more mystical concept of animals, for the animal shall not be measured by man.
The host mentions 'The Outermost House' to emphasize the need for a deeper understanding of animal intelligence and existence. The quote from the book serves as a guiding principle for the host's writing and perspective on animals.
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The Old Way
Elizabeth Marshall Thomas
Best for Readers interested in anthropology and human-animal relationshipsOften cited around human lifestyle and behavior

This book describes how humans probably lived for thousands of years and is noted as a gorgeous, beautiful book.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in anthropology and human-animal relationships
Key quote: she's actually written a number of books about this, but one is called The Old Way.
The host mentions 'The Old Way' to highlight the insights it provides into how humans lived in harmony with nature for thousands of years. This book is praised for its beautiful prose and deep understanding of human and animal relationships.
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King Solomon's Ring
Conrad Lorenz
Best for Anyone interested in animal behavior and ethology.Often cited around animal behavior and intelligence

A classic account of animal behavior that recognizes animals as thinking, feeling beings.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Anyone interested in animal behavior and ethology.
Key quote: Another book that I have loved is King Solomon's Ring by Conrad Lorenz.
The host mentioned 'King Solomon's Ring' as a classic work that explores animal behavior, emphasizing the respect and recognition of animals' thoughts and feelings. This book is highlighted for its foundational role in the field of ethology, which studies animal behavior.
ASIN: 0415267471
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The Soul of an Octopus
Simon Montgomery
Best for Readers interested in animal behavior and consciousnessOften cited around animal intelligence and behavior

The speaker praises this book, indicating it is wonderful.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in animal behavior and consciousness
Key quote: Simon Montgomery, your book is The Soul of an Octopus. It is wonderful.
The host mentions 'The Soul of an Octopus' to highlight the intelligence and emotional depth of animals, drawing parallels between their behaviors and human experiences. This book is celebrated for its insightful exploration of the octopus's mind and its implications for understanding animal consciousness.
ASIN: 1451697724
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Movies & Documentaries Mentioned

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My Octopus Teacher

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There's this documentary on Netflix that I loved called My Octopus Teacher.