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41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us

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Notable books mentioned: Understanding Media by Marshall McLuhan, Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman, The Convivial Society by Michael Sikasis, Tools for Conviviality by Yvonne Illich

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Understanding Media
Marshall McLuhan

The host briefly mentions Marshall McLuhan's work as a significant influence in the realm of media criticism. This reference highlights the foundat…

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Amusing Ourselves to Death
Neil Postman

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The Convivial Society
Michael Sikasis

The host mentions 'The Convivial Society' to highlight how Michael Sikasis connects historical media criticism with contemporary technology. He app…

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41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us mentions Understanding Media by Marshall McLuhan, Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman, The Convivial Society by Michael Sikasis, and Tools for Conviviality by Yvonne Illich with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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We all know by now that Zoom causes fatigue, social media spreads misinformation and Google Maps is wiping out our sense of direction. We also know, of course, that Zoom allows us to cooperate across continents, that social media connects us to our families and Google Maps keeps us from being lost. A lot of technological criticism today is about weighing whether a technology is good or bad, or judging its various uses. But there’s an older tradition of criticism that asks a more fundamental and nuanced question: How do these technologies change the people who use them, both for good and for bad? And what do the people who use them — all of us, in other words — actually want? Do we even know? L.M. Sacasas explores these questions in his great newsletter, “The Convivial Society.” His work is marrying the theorists of the 20th century — Hannah Arendt, C.S. Lewis, Ivan Illich, Marshall McLuhan, Neil Postman and more — to the technologies of the present day. I’ve found this merging of past thinkers and contemporary concerns revelatory in an era when we tend to take the shape of our world for granted and forget how it would look to those who stood outside it, or how it looked to those who were there at the inception of these tools and mediums. Sacasas recently published a list of 41 questions we should ask of the technologies and tools that shape our lives. What I loved about these questions is how they invite us to think not just about technologies, but about ourselves, and how we act and what we want and what, in the end, we truly value. So I asked him on the show to talk through some of them, and to see what light they shed on the lives we live. Mentioned: "The Questions Concerning Technology" by L. M. Sacasas "A Theory of Zoom Fatigue" by L. M. Sacasas "Do Artifacts Have Ethics?" by L. M. Sacasas Technics and Civilization by Lewis Mumford "Before We Make Out, Wanna Dismantle Capitalism?" by Emilia Petrarca "The Analog City and the Digital City" by L. M. Sacasas "The Materiality of Digital Culture" by L. M. Sacasas "When Silence Is Power" by L. M. Sacasas Book recommendations: Tools for Conviviality by Ivan Illich The Human Condition by Hannah Arendt Technology and the Character of Contemporary Life by Albert Borgmann You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld, audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin.
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  • The strongest audience signal points to Individuals interested in media studies and Individuals interested in technology and its societal implications.

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Understanding Media
Marshall McLuhan
Best for Individuals interested in media studiesOften cited around 20th century media criticism

This was a big theme in 20th century media criticism. If you read Marshall McLuhan or Neil Postman, it is all over their work.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in media studies
Key quote: If you read Marshall McLuhan or Neil Postman, it is all over their work.
The host briefly mentions Marshall McLuhan's work as a significant influence in the realm of media criticism. This reference highlights the foundational ideas that shaped discussions around media in the 20th century.
Amusing Ourselves to Death cover
Best for Individuals interested in media studiesOften cited around 20th century media criticism

This was a big theme in 20th century media criticism. If you read Marshall McLuhan or Neil Postman, it is all over their work.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in media studies
Key quote: If you read Marshall McLuhan or Neil Postman, it is all over their work.
The host briefly references Neil Postman as part of a broader discussion on media criticism in the 20th century. This mention highlights the influence of Postman's work on understanding media's impact on society.
ASIN: 014303653X
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The Convivial Society
Michael Sikasis
Best for Individuals interested in technology and its societal implicationsOften cited around impact of technology on society

Michael Sikasis, or as his pen name is, L.M. Sikasis, brings theorists of the past into conversation with the technologies of the present in his newsletter, The Convivial Society.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in technology and its societal implications
Key quote: I know his excellent newsletter, The Convivial Society, which I highly recommend.
The host mentions 'The Convivial Society' to highlight how Michael Sikasis connects historical media criticism with contemporary technology. He appreciates Sikasis's approach of examining technology through a human-centered lens, emphasizing the choices we make regarding its evolution.
Tools for Conviviality cover
Best for people interested in technology and human flourishingOften cited around responsibility in technology

Illich's work is very important to me. Tools for Conviviality is at least one good place to start with that.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: people interested in technology and human flourishing
Key quote: there's a very clear sense of what human flourishing entails in Illich's work, and Tools for Conviviality is at least one good place to start with that.
The host emphasizes the importance of understanding moral responsibility in the context of technological systems, referencing Yvonne Illich's work. 'Tools for Conviviality' is highlighted as a foundational text that explores human flourishing and the social structures that support it.
ASIN: 1842300113
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The Human Condition
Hannah Arendt
Best for Individuals interested in the intersection of technology and human valuesOften cited around responsibility in technology

The Human Condition explores a lot of that terrain in terms of what political structures are conducive to human flourishing.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in the intersection of technology and human values
Key quote: The Human Condition explores a lot of that terrain in terms of what political structures are conducive to human flourishing, what work means in human life where we can find satisfaction in work and labor and world building.
The host mentions 'The Human Condition' to highlight the exploration of political structures that support human flourishing. This discussion is framed within the context of how technology impacts our sense of agency and moral responsibility.
ASIN: 022658660X
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Technology and the Character of Contemporary Life cover
Best for Individuals interested in the intersection of technology and human flourishingOften cited around responsibility in technology

Technology and the Character of Contemporary Life has some profound political reflections, focusing on day-to-day lived experience.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in the intersection of technology and human flourishing
Key quote: Technology and the Character of Contemporary Life... focuses much more closer to our sort of day-to-day lived experience and how technologies can lead to genuine satisfaction, enjoyment, build communities, build stronger interpersonal relationships.
The host mentions Albert Borgman's book to highlight the profound political reflections and insights on how technology impacts our daily lives. Borgman's work emphasizes the importance of genuine satisfaction and community building through technology, which aligns with the discussion on moral responsibility.
ASIN: B00GV6IAAO
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