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Best of: What ‘Drained-Pool’ Politics Costs America

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Notable books mentioned: The Sum of Us by Heather McGee, How Emotions Are Made by Lisa Feldman Barrett, Parable of the Sower, The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein

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The Sum of Us
Heather McGee

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How Emotions Are Made
Lisa Feldman Barrett

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Parable of the Sower

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Best of: What ‘Drained-Pool’ Politics Costs America mentions The Sum of Us by Heather McGee, How Emotions Are Made by Lisa Feldman Barrett, Parable of the Sower, and The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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In February, I spoke with Heather McGhee. I’ve been thinking about the conversation ever since. “The American landscape was once graced with resplendent public swimming pools, some big enough to hold thousands of swimmers at a time,” writes McGhee in her recent book, “The Sum of Us: What Racism Costs Everyone and How We Can Prosper Together.” These pools were the pride of their communities, monuments to what public investment could do. But they were, in many places, whites-only. Then came the desegregation orders. The pools would need to be open to everyone. But these communities found a loophole. They could close them for everyone. Drain them. Fill them with concrete. Shutter their parks departments entirely. And so they did. Drained-pool politics — if “they” can also have it, then no one can — are still with us today. They help explain why America still doesn’t have a truly universal health care system, a child care system, or a decent social safety net. Why policy changes that seem incredibly modest by international standards are so often met with backlash. And there are plenty of recent examples: A few weeks ago, Sen. Tom Cotton proposed that rather than abolishing the racist sentencing guidelines for crack cocaine possession, we extend them to powder cocaine, too. This conversation is just as relevant today as it was at the time we recorded it. The lens it offers into American policy and politics is truly invaluable for making sense of so much of what’s going on around us. And it’s message is ultimately a hopeful one: There is a $20 bill lying on the street of American public policy. It’s the vast “solidarity dividends” waiting for us, if we are willing to stand with, rather than against, each other. Recommendations: "Parable of the Sower" by Octavia E. Butler "The Color of Law" by Richard Rothstein “Good Times” (TV series) "The Word Collector" by Peter H. Reynolds You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin.
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Individuals interested in social justice and racial dynamicsIndividuals interested in psychology and societal narrativesReaders interested in race relations and societal issuesPolicymakers and individuals interested in racial equity

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The Sum of Us
Heather McGee
Best for Individuals interested in social justice and racial dynamicsOften cited around societal perceptions of race

Heather McGee, who is my guest and the author of the wonderful and really important new book, The Sum of Us, explains all of it better than I can.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in social justice and racial dynamics
Key quote: If we grow up in a society cut up by racism, told again and again that our relationships, our policies are zero-sum, that if those people over there are going to progress, it's going to come at our expense, that metaphor will lodge in us.
Ezra Klein mentions 'The Sum of Us' to highlight how societal narratives around race and competition can shape our perceptions and interactions. He connects this idea to a broader discussion about how these metaphors influence our understanding of opportunities and relationships in society.
ASIN: 0525509585
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How Emotions Are Made
Lisa Feldman Barrett
Best for Individuals interested in psychology and societal narrativesOften cited around interpretation of emotions

A few years ago, I interviewed a psychologist named Lisa Feldman Barrett, and she had written this really great book about how the mind generates emotions.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in psychology and societal narratives
Key quote: Our brains are prediction machines. And sometimes they predict incorrectly.
The host references Lisa Feldman Barrett's book to illustrate how societal narratives shape our emotional interpretations. He emphasizes that our understanding of emotions is influenced by the metaphors we are taught, which can lead to misinterpretations of our feelings.
ASIN: 1328915433
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Best for Readers interested in race relations and societal issuesOften cited around understanding race in America

Parable of the Sower continues to be just profoundly prescient and a beautiful must read for everyone.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in race relations and societal issues
Key quote: 'Parable of the Sower you know continues to be just profoundly prescient.'
The host mentions 'Parable of the Sower' as a profoundly prescient work that addresses themes of race and societal issues. They emphasize its importance as a must-read for everyone, particularly in the context of current racial dynamics in America.
ASIN: 1609807197
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The Color of Law
Richard Rothstein
Best for Policymakers and individuals interested in racial equityOften cited around government segregation in America

I would love for Joe Biden to read a book called The Color of Law by Richard Rothstein which really helps explain the way that government segregated America.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Policymakers and individuals interested in racial equity
Key quote: I would love for Joe Biden to read a book called the color of law by Richard Rothstein which really helps explain the way that government segregated America.
The host recommends 'The Color of Law' to highlight how government policies have historically contributed to racial segregation in America. This book is particularly relevant for understanding the systemic issues that affect racial equity today.
ASIN: 1631494538
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