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That Anxiety You’re Feeling? It’s a Habit You Can Unlearn.

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Notable books mentioned: Barbarian Days by William Finnegan, The Way to Love by Anthony de Mello, The Art of Racing in the Rain, The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead

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That Anxiety You’re Feeling? It’s a Habit You Can Unlearn. mentions Barbarian Days by William Finnegan, The Way to Love by Anthony de Mello, The Art of Racing in the Rain, and The Underground Railroad by Colson Whitehead with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Barbarian Days
William Finnegan

Another book that I just read that was just beautifully written was William Finnegan's Barbarian Days.

The Way to Love
Anthony de Mello

But it describes my experience of this so perfectly.

Well, just off the top of my head, one, there's a novel that I read a while ago that I loved called The Art of Racing in the Rain that was told from…

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This has been a bad year for the anxious among us — myself very much included. The pandemic was objectively terrifying. And many of us were trapped inside, with nothing we could do about it, severed from social connection and routine, with plenty of time to fret. But that almost gives anxiety, at least as I experience it, too much credit. This year, anyway, being anxious made sense. It so often doesn’t. Your mind has so much power and capacity, and there are so many real problems to solve or wonders to contemplate, and instead you’re obsessively ruminating over something that happened three years ago or might happen three years from now. So, what is anxiety? How do we learn it as a behavior? And more to the point, how do we unlearn it? Jud Brewer is an associate professor of psychiatry at Brown University, where he is the director of research and innovation at the Mindfulness Center. I’ve followed his work on meditation and addiction for years, and his new book, “Unwinding Anxiety: New Science Shows How to Break the Cycles of Worry and Fear to Heal Your Mind” applies that research to anxiety, which he understands as a kind of addiction. And just like with any addiction, you have to understand its rewards in order to begin addressing it. It’s a powerful framework, and one I’ve found useful in my own life. I’m not saying his book, or this conversation, cured me of anxiety. But it helped me understand it better. I hope it’ll do the same for you Recommendations: "The Art of Racing in the Rain" by Garth Stein "Barbarian Days" by William Finnegan "The Underground Railroad" by Colson Whitehead You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Rogé Karma and Jeff Geld; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld.
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Readers interested in memoirs and personal growthIndividuals struggling with anxiety and seeking deeper understanding of their emotional experiences.Readers interested in personal growth and emotional resilienceReaders interested in historical fiction and social justice themes.Individuals struggling with anxiety and mental health professionals.Individuals interested in psychology and mental health

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Barbarian Days
William Finnegan
Best for Readers interested in memoirs and personal growthOften cited around books that influenced

A beautifully written book about the author's life as a surfer and writer for The New Yorker, detailing decades of experiences before surfing culture.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in memoirs and personal growth
Key quote: Another book that I just read that was just beautifully written was William Finnegan's Barbarian Days.
The host mentions 'Barbarian Days' as a beautifully written memoir that explores the author's life as a surfer before the rise of surfing culture. This recommendation highlights the book's deep connection to personal experience and the broader themes of letting go and embracing life.
ASIN: 1594203474
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The Way to Love
Anthony de Mello
Best for Individuals struggling with anxiety and seeking deeper understanding of their emotional experiences.Often cited around anxiety and human experience

There's this line from the book, The Way to Love by the Jesuit priest Anthony de Mello. Great, great book, by the way.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals struggling with anxiety and seeking deeper understanding of their emotional experiences.
Key quote: But it describes my experience of this so perfectly.
The host mentions 'The Way to Love' to illustrate his personal struggles with anxiety and how it affects his ability to enjoy life. He finds the book's insights resonate deeply with his experiences of being overwhelmed despite having many positive aspects in his life.
ASIN: B005GFBNSW
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Best for Readers interested in personal growth and emotional resilienceOften cited around books that influenced you

A novel told from a dog's perspective of his owner, an amateur race car driver, discussing getting caught up in experience versus letting go.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in personal growth and emotional resilience
Key quote: Well, just off the top of my head, one, there's a novel that I read a while ago that I loved called The Art of Racing in the Rain that was told from a dog's perspective of his owner, who is this amateur race car driver.
The host mentions 'The Art of Racing in the Rain' as a novel that beautifully illustrates the themes of experience and letting go. It also serves as a metaphor for maintaining calm under pressure, drawing a parallel to the racing skills of Ayrton Senna.
ASIN: 0061537969
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The Underground Railroad
Colson Whitehead
Best for Readers interested in historical fiction and social justice themes.Often cited around influential books

A heart-wrenching and beautiful novel about slavery in the South, told from a unique perspective.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in historical fiction and social justice themes.
Key quote: another one that has influenced me that I read very recently is called The Underground Railroad, a novel, a heart-wrenching and beautiful story about basically slavery in the South told from a perspective through a novel.
The host mentions 'The Underground Railroad' as a heart-wrenching and beautifully written novel that explores the theme of slavery in the South. It had a significant impact on the host, highlighting its emotional depth and narrative perspective.
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Best for Individuals struggling with anxiety and mental health professionals.Often cited around understanding anxiety habits

And then Judd Brewer released this book, Unwinding Anxiety. Brewer is at Brown University where he's a director of research and innovation at the Mindfulness Center.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals struggling with anxiety and mental health professionals.
Key quote: But here he extends that framework and argues that anxiety is a kind of addiction.
The host mentions 'Unwinding Anxiety' to explore how anxiety can be viewed as a learned habit, similar to addiction. He appreciates the book's framework for understanding anxiety's rewards and how it can help in addressing it.
ASIN: B08MHDHMRS
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The Wandering Mind is an Unhappy Mind cover
Best for Individuals interested in psychology and mental healthOften cited around wandering mind and happiness

This is one of the first studies that I'm aware of that actually used smartphones, published in 2010, showing that people's minds were wandering to the past or the future.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in psychology and mental health
Key quote: They concluded a wandering mind is an unhappy mind.
The host discusses a study referenced in the book that highlights how often people's minds wander and the negative impact it has on their happiness. This leads to a broader conversation about the implications of a wandering mind in relation to societal issues and personal well-being.
ASIN: B00SLVOLR8
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Best for Individuals struggling with anxiety and those interested in addiction psychology.Often cited around anxiety and addiction

You talk about the craving mind on addiction. The thing that I really remember from that book is your metaphor of kind of surfing a wave into the shore.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals struggling with anxiety and those interested in addiction psychology.
Key quote: I found to be one of the best things I've read, at least on addiction.
The host mentions 'The Craving Mind' to highlight how anxiety can be understood through the lens of addiction. He appreciates the book's insights on the rewards of anxiety, which have helped him rethink his own experiences with it.
ASIN: 9669427258
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Barbarian Days cover
Mentioned at 1:01:07
Barbarian Days
William Finnegan

The host mentions 'Barbarian Days' as a beautifully written memoir that explores the author's life as a surfer before the rise of surfing culture.…

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Mentioned at 0:56
The Way to Love
Anthony de Mello

The host mentions 'The Way to Love' to illustrate his personal struggles with anxiety and how it affects his ability to enjoy life. He finds the bo…

The Art of Racing in the Rain cover
Mentioned at 1:00:41
The Art of Racing in the Rain

The host mentions 'The Art of Racing in the Rain' as a novel that beautifully illustrates the themes of experience and letting go. It also serves a…

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