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The Ezra Klein ShowNov 14, 2025

Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes and the Right’s ‘Groyper’ Problem

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The Death of the West

Pat Buchanan

It basically describes a world where the white race is submerged by the invasion of brown peoples and that needs to be prevented by any means necessa…

Furious Minds

Laura K. Field

One is Furious Minds. It's a new book by Laura K. Field, which is about MAGA intellectuals, the new right, and how they justify, explain, rationalize…

Taking America Back

David Austin Walsh

One is Taking America Back by David Austin Walsh, which is a kind of history of the right's half-hearted, let's say, attempts to police antisemitism.

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Is this the future of MAGA? Tucker Carlson’s interview with the white nationalist influencer Nick Fuentes has caused a firestorm on the right. Carlson and Fuentes’s friendly chat about American Jews — whether they fit into this country or were loyal to Israel above all — was the kind of conversation that for decades would have been unimaginable among mainstream figures in politics. And by crossing that line, Carlson was making a statement — about the power of Fuentes’s movement and the future of MAGA. To help me think through this, I wanted to talk to the political writer John Ganz. He’s studied the roots of antisemitism on the right and has followed the evolution of MAGA closely. He’s behind the newsletter Unpopular Front and the author of “When the Clock Broke: Con Men, Conspiracists, and How America Cracked Up in the Early 1990s.” This episode contains strong language. Mentioned: “Unpopular Front” by John Ganz “Finding Neverland” by John Ganz “Groyperfication” by John Ganz Book Recommendations: Taking America Back by David Austin Walsh Furious Minds by Laura K. Field Prophets of Deceit by Norbert Guterman & Leo Lowenthal Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Ashley Braun. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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The Death of the West

Pat Buchanan

The host discusses how Pat Buchanan's ideas, particularly from his book 'The Death of the West', have gained traction…

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Furious Minds

Laura K. Field

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Taking America Back

David Austin Walsh

The host mentions 'Taking America Back' as a significant resource that explores the right's attempts to address antis…

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When the Clock Broke

John Gans

The host mentions 'When the Clock Broke' to provide context on the historical roots of contemporary far-right ideolog…

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Prophets of Deceit

Leo Lowenthal and Norbert Guderman

The host mentions 'Prophets of Deceit' to highlight its detailed analysis of antisemitic agitation and propaganda tec…

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The Death of the West

Pat Buchanan

Best for Political analysts and those interested in contemporary right-wing ideologies.Often cited around Pat Buchanan's influence

“The book describes a world where the white race is submerged by the invasion of brown peoples and that needs to be prevented by any means necessary, essentially a work of polite white nationalism.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: Pat Buchanan's influence

For: Political analysts and those interested in contemporary right-wing ideologies.

Key quote: “It basically describes a world where the white race is submerged by the invasion of brown peoples and that needs to be prevented by any means necessary, essentially.”

The host discusses how Pat Buchanan's ideas, particularly from his book 'The Death of the West', have gained traction within modern Republican politics. They highlight the book's themes of racial identity and demographic change as central to the current political discourse on the right.

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Furious Minds

Laura K. Field

Best for Readers interested in political theory and contemporary right-wing movementsOften cited around MAGA intellectuals and propaganda

“About MAGA intellectuals, the new right, and how they justify the things that are going on.”

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended

Trigger: MAGA intellectuals and propaganda

For: Readers interested in political theory and contemporary right-wing movements

Key quote: “One is Furious Minds. It's a new book by Laura K. Field, which is about MAGA intellectuals, the new right, and how they justify, explain, rationalize the things that are going on, give arguments for it.”

The host mentions 'Furious Minds' as a significant resource for understanding the new right and how they rationalize their ideologies. This book provides insights into the arguments and justifications used by MAGA intellectuals in contemporary politics.

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Taking America Back

David Austin Walsh

Best for Individuals interested in political history and antisemitismOften cited around history of the right

“A kind of history of the right's half-hearted attempts to police antisemitism.”

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended

Trigger: history of the right

For: Individuals interested in political history and antisemitism

Key quote: “One is Taking America Back by David Austin Walsh, which is a kind of history of the right's half-hearted, let's say, attempts to police antisemitism.”

The host mentions 'Taking America Back' as a significant resource that explores the right's attempts to address antisemitism. This book is recommended alongside others that analyze the current political landscape and its implications.

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When the Clock Broke

John Gans

Best for Individuals interested in political history and the evolution of far-right ideologies.Often cited around rise of neo-Nazism

“John Gans wrote the book When the Clock Broke, which is about the politics of the 1990s and Pat Buchanan and David Duke and how they prefigured Trump.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: rise of neo-Nazism

For: Individuals interested in political history and the evolution of far-right ideologies.

Key quote: “He wrote the book When the Clock Broke, which is about the politics of the 1990s and Pat Buchanan and David Duke and how they prefigured Trump.”

The host mentions 'When the Clock Broke' to provide context on the historical roots of contemporary far-right ideologies, particularly those represented by figures like Nick Fuentes. John Gans' book explores the political landscape of the 1990s and how it foreshadowed the current rise of ethno-nationalism in America.

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Prophets of Deceit

Leo Lowenthal and Norbert Guderman

Best for Individuals interested in political propaganda and antisemitismOften cited around techniques of propaganda

“An extremely astute analysis of the techniques of antisemitic agitation and propaganda in the U.S.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: techniques of propaganda

For: Individuals interested in political propaganda and antisemitism

Key quote: “It's called Prophets of Deceit, Techniques of the American Agitator.”

The host mentions 'Prophets of Deceit' to highlight its detailed analysis of antisemitic agitation and propaganda techniques in America. This book serves as a critical resource for understanding the sophisticated methods used by contemporary political figures to gain mass support.

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One is Furious Minds. It's a new book by Laura K. Field, which is about MAGA intellectuals, the new right, and how they justify, explain, rationalize…

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One is Taking America Back by David Austin Walsh, which is a kind of history of the right's half-hearted, let's say, attempts to police antisemitism.

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