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How Afraid of the A.I. Apocalypse Should We Be?

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How Afraid of the A.I. Apocalypse Should We Be? mentions A Step Farther Out by Jerry Pornel, Probability Theory, The Logic of Science by Elias Ryudkowski, If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies by Eliezer Yudkowsky, Nate Suarez, and Judgment Unto Uncertainty by Kahneman, Tversky, and Slovik with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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A Step Farther Out
Jerry Pornel

Well, one thing that shaped me as a little tiny person of like age nine or so was a book by Jerry Pornel, called A Step Farther Out.

Like, here is the structure of quantified uncertainty.

If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies
Eliezer Yudkowsky, Nate Suarez

He just released a new book, co-written with Nate Suarez, called If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies.

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How Afraid of the A.I. Apocalypse Should We Be? Eliezer Yudkowsky is as afraid as you could possibly be. He makes his case. Yudkowsky is a pioneer of A.I. safety research, who started warning about the existential risks of the technology decades ago, – influencing a lot of leading figures in the field. But over the last couple of years, talk of an A.I. apocalypse has become a little passé. Many of the people Yudkowsky influenced have gone on to work for A.I. companies, and those companies are racing ahead to build the superintelligent systems Yudkowsky thought humans should never create. But Yudkowsky is still out there sounding the alarm. He has a new book out, co-written with Nate Soares, “If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies,” trying to warn the world before it’s too late. So what does Yudkowsky see that most of us don’t? What makes him so certain? And why does he think he hasn’t been able to persuade more people? Mentioned: Oversight of A.I.: Rules for Artificial Intelligence If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies by Eliezer Yudkowsky and Nate Soares “A Teen Was Suicidal. ChatGPT Was the Friend He Confided In.” by Kashmir Hill Book Recommendations: A Step Farther Out by Jerry Pournelle Judgment under Uncertainty by Daniel Kahneman, Paul Slovic, and Amos Tversky Probability Theory by E. T. Jaynes Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Helen Toner and Jeffrey Ladish.
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A Step Farther Out
Jerry Pornel

The host mentions 'A Step Farther Out' as a formative book that shaped their thinking about technology and its potent…

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Probability Theory, The Logic of Science
Elias Ryudkowski

The host mentions 'Probability Theory, The Logic of Science' as a pivotal book that introduced them to the concept of…

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If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies
Eliezer Yudkowsky, Nate Suarez

The host mentions the book to highlight Eliezer Yudkowsky's longstanding warnings about the dangers of AI, emphasizin…

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Judgment Unto Uncertainty
Kahneman, Tversky, and Slovik

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A Step Farther Out
Jerry Pornel
Best for engineers and technology enthusiastsOften cited around impact of technology on society

A formative book for many engineers, discussing asteroid mining and the potential mineral wealth available through space travel.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: engineers and technology enthusiasts
Key quote: Well, one thing that shaped me as a little tiny person of like age nine or so was a book by Jerry Pornel, called A Step Farther Out.
The host mentions 'A Step Farther Out' as a formative book that shaped their thinking about technology and its potential. They highlight its focus on asteroid mining and the importance of not settling for timid approaches to progress.
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Best for Individuals interested in cognitive science and reasoningOften cited around books that shaped thinking

Introduces the structure of quantified uncertainty and better reasoning methods.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in cognitive science and reasoning
Key quote: Like, here is the structure of quantified uncertainty.
The host mentions 'Probability Theory, The Logic of Science' as a pivotal book that introduced them to the concept of structured reasoning under uncertainty. They emphasize its importance in understanding better reasoning frameworks and the limitations of current methods.
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If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies
Eliezer Yudkowsky, Nate Suarez
Best for AI researchers and policymakersOften cited around existential risk of AI

He just released a new book, co-written with Nate Suarez, called If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies. Now he's trying to make this argument to the public.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: AI researchers and policymakers
Key quote: He just released a new book, co-written with Nate Suarez, called If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies.
The host mentions the book to highlight Eliezer Yudkowsky's longstanding warnings about the dangers of AI, emphasizing his influence in the field. Yudkowsky's new book serves as a public appeal to address these existential threats before it's too late.
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Judgment Unto Uncertainty
Kahneman, Tversky, and Slovik
Best for Individuals interested in cognitive psychology and decision-makingOften cited around human reasoning and decision making

An edited volume that influenced thinking about human reasoning and cognitive processes.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in cognitive psychology and decision-making
Key quote: Book two, Judgment Unto Uncertainty, an edited volume by Kahneman, Tversky, and I think Slovik, had a huge influence on how I ended up thinking about where humans are on the cognitive chain of existence, as it were.
The host mentions 'Judgment Unto Uncertainty' to highlight its significant impact on their understanding of human cognition and reasoning. They emphasize how the book breaks down the steps of human reasoning and illustrates common errors in judgment.
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A Step Farther Out
The Ezra Klein Show · 1:07:27
Well, one thing that shaped me as a little tiny person of like age nine or so was a book by Jerry Pornel, called A Step Farther Out.
Probability Theory, The Logic of Science
The Ezra Klein Show · 1:08:48
Like, here is the structure of quantified uncertainty.
If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies
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He just released a new book, co-written with Nate Suarez, called If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies.
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A Step Farther Out
Jerry Pornel

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Probability Theory, The Logic of Science
Elias Ryudkowski

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If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies
Eliezer Yudkowsky, Nate Suarez

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