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Best Of: Barbara Kingsolver on ‘Urban-Rural Antipathy’

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Best Of: Barbara Kingsolver on ‘Urban-Rural Antipathy’ mentions Landings, A Crooked Creek Farm Year by Arwen Donahue, Demon Copperhead, Raising Lazarus by Beth Macy, and David Copperfield by Charles Dickens with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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It's a graphic memoir. It's not like most books you're going to see.

I think it's fair to say Demon Copperhead is a kind of masterpiece.

I recommend Beth Macy's follow-up to Dope Sick, which is called Raising Lazarus.

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“It’s so insidious, people don’t realize it,” Barbara Kingsolver told me, describing the prejudice against “country people.” Kingsolver is one of those “country people,” as well as a literary legend in her own time, who set out to write the “great Appalachian novel.” And I think she did. “Demon Copperhead” won the Pulitzer Prize in 2023, and we taped this conversation later that year. And I wanted to re-air it because the divide between rural and urban America remains just as strong today, and as relevant to our politics. And Kingsolver might be the country’s sharpest and most poignant observer of it. Mentioned: Shiloh and Other Stories by Bobbie Ann Mason Book Recommendations: Landings by Arwen Donahue Raising Lazarus by Beth Macy Pod by Laline Paull Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Mixing by Sonia Herrero, with Aman Sahota. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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Landings, A Crooked Creek Farm Year
Arwen Donahue

The host mentions 'Landings, A Crooked Creek Farm Year' to highlight its unique perspective on farming and community…

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Demon Copperhead

The host highlights Barbara Kingsolver's 'Demon Copperhead' as a significant achievement in contemporary literature,…

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Raising Lazarus
Beth Macy

The host mentions 'Raising Lazarus' as a follow-up to Beth Macy's previous work, 'Dope Sick', highlighting its releva…

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David Copperfield
Charles Dickens

The host discusses how Charles Dickens' 'David Copperfield' served as a template for their own novel, 'Demon Copperhe…

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Shiloh and Other Stories
Bobby Ann Mason

The host mentions 'Shiloh and Other Stories' as a pivotal influence that helped them embrace their Appalachian voice.…

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Dope Sick
Beth Macy

The host discusses the profound effects of the opioid epidemic on children, particularly those who have lost parents…

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Trust
Hernán Díaz

The host briefly mentions 'Trust' by Hernán Díaz as one of the two novels that won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in…

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The Bean Trees
Barbara Kingsolver

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Readers interested in authentic rural narratives and graphic memoirs.Readers interested in contemporary fiction and Appalachian culture.Readers interested in social issues and public healthReaders interested in literary adaptations and character developmentWriters exploring regional identityParents and educators concerned about children's welfare

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Best for Readers interested in authentic rural narratives and graphic memoirs.Often cited around diversity and community

A graphic memoir about a year on a farm, featuring pen and ink watercolor drawings paired with prose describing life on the farm.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in authentic rural narratives and graphic memoirs.
Key quote: It's a graphic memoir. It's not like most books you're going to see.
The host mentions 'Landings, A Crooked Creek Farm Year' to highlight its unique perspective on farming and community life. The book offers a genuine portrayal of the challenges and beauty of rural living, contrasting with common narratives about agriculture.
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Best for Readers interested in contemporary fiction and Appalachian culture.Often cited around Barbara Kingsolver's work

Demon Copperhead is my attempt to speak to people. I wanted it to be a mirror for my people to feel seen and to let people from elsewhere understand the complexity of our lives here.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in contemporary fiction and Appalachian culture.
Key quote: I think it's fair to say Demon Copperhead is a kind of masterpiece.
The host highlights Barbara Kingsolver's 'Demon Copperhead' as a significant achievement in contemporary literature, emphasizing its connection to the Appalachian region. He describes the novel as a masterpiece that resonates deeply with readers, showcasing its emotional impact and relevance to current societal issues.
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Best for Readers interested in social issues and public healthOften cited around Appalachian culture and diversity

A follow-up to Dope Sick, this book discusses the current state of the epidemic and what can be done about it.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in social issues and public health
Key quote: I recommend Beth Macy's follow-up to Dope Sick, which is called Raising Lazarus.
The host mentions 'Raising Lazarus' as a follow-up to Beth Macy's previous work, 'Dope Sick', highlighting its relevance to the current opioid epidemic. The book is recommended for its insightful journalism on the ongoing crisis and the necessary actions being taken and needed in response.
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David Copperfield
Charles Dickens
Best for Readers interested in literary adaptations and character developmentOften cited around influence of Charles Dickens

The ghost in the room here is Charles Dickens because I owe him everything with respect to this book. I took David Copperfield as my template and I just laid my book right over it.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in literary adaptations and character development
Key quote: I took David Copperfield as my template and I just laid my book right over it because it worked so well.
The host discusses how Charles Dickens' 'David Copperfield' served as a template for their own novel, 'Demon Copperhead.' They highlight the character Tommy, who embodies themes of friendship and resilience, drawing parallels between the two works.
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Best for Writers exploring regional identityOften cited around Appalachian identity in writing

Someone actually gave me, Bobby Ann Mason's short story collection, Shiloh and Other Stories, which was a very big book that year, In the World. She's from Kentucky.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Writers exploring regional identity
Key quote: I understood that I had been holding my light under a bushel, that my own voice could be something that people might want to hear.
The host mentions 'Shiloh and Other Stories' as a pivotal influence that helped them embrace their Appalachian voice. This book opened their eyes to the authenticity of their own background and inspired them to write with confidence about their roots.
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Dope Sick
Beth Macy
Best for Parents and educators concerned about children's welfareOften cited around impact of opioid epidemic

The story of the big players in the opioid epidemic has been told beautifully by a handful of journalists, Beth Macy among them with her fantastic book, Dope Sick.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Parents and educators concerned about children's welfare
Key quote: This country, voters need to know about.
The host discusses the profound effects of the opioid epidemic on children, particularly those who have lost parents to addiction. They highlight how Beth Macy's book 'Dope Sick' sheds light on the struggles of these orphans and the overwhelmed systems meant to support them.
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Trust
Hernán Díaz
Best for Readers interested in contemporary literature and award-winning novels.Often cited around Pulitzer Prize winners

In 2023, the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction was won by two novels, Trust by Hernán Díaz and Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in contemporary literature and award-winning novels.
Key quote: So, in 2023, the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction was won by two novels, Trust by Hernán Díaz and Demon Copperhead by Barbara Kingsolver.
The host briefly mentions 'Trust' by Hernán Díaz as one of the two novels that won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in 2023. This mention serves to highlight the significance of both novels in the literary landscape, alongside Barbara Kingsolver's 'Demon Copperhead'.
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The Bean Trees
Barbara Kingsolver
Best for Readers interested in contemporary American literature.Often cited around Barbara Kingsolver's works

Barbara Kingsolver is noted for her literary contributions, including The Bean Trees.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in contemporary American literature.
Key quote: I mean, she wrote The Bean Trees.
The host mentions 'The Bean Trees' to highlight Barbara Kingsolver's literary significance and her contributions to American literature. It serves as a brief acknowledgment of her earlier work while discussing her recent novel 'Demon Copperhead'.
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Pod
Lalene Paul
Best for Readers interested in unique narratives and non-human perspectives.Often cited around diversity in Appalachia

A novel set entirely in the ocean, featuring non-human characters and a realistic narrative.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in unique narratives and non-human perspectives.
Key quote: It's called Pod by Lalene Paul. And it's set entirely in the ocean.
The host mentioned 'Pod' by Lalene Paul as a novel that captivated them despite its setting being entirely in the ocean, which is unrelated to their own experiences in Appalachia. This mention serves to highlight the diversity of literature that can provide different perspectives, even if they are not directly connected to the host's background.
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The Poisonwood Bible
Barbara Kingsolver
Best for Readers interested in contemporary literature and Kingsolver's writing.Often cited around Barbara Kingsolver's works

Barbara Kingsolver is recognized for her work, including The Poisonwood Bible.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in contemporary literature and Kingsolver's writing.
Key quote: I mean, she wrote The Bean Trees. She wrote The Poisonwood Bible.
The host mentions 'The Poisonwood Bible' to highlight Barbara Kingsolver's literary achievements and her status as a significant author. It serves as a reference point to illustrate Kingsolver's extensive body of work leading up to her recent novel, 'Demon Copperhead.'
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Landings, A Crooked Creek Farm Year
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It's a graphic memoir. It's not like most books you're going to see.
Demon Copperhead
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I think it's fair to say Demon Copperhead is a kind of masterpiece.
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I recommend Beth Macy's follow-up to Dope Sick, which is called Raising Lazarus.
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Landings, A Crooked Creek Farm Year cover
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Landings, A Crooked Creek Farm Year
Arwen Donahue

The host mentions 'Landings, A Crooked Creek Farm Year' to highlight its unique perspective on farming and community life. The book offers a genuin…

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Demon Copperhead cover
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Demon Copperhead

The host highlights Barbara Kingsolver's 'Demon Copperhead' as a significant achievement in contemporary literature, emphasizing its connection to…

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Raising Lazarus
Beth Macy

The host mentions 'Raising Lazarus' as a follow-up to Beth Macy's previous work, 'Dope Sick', highlighting its relevance to the current opioid epid…

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