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The Ezra Klein ShowJul 8, 2025

How the Attention Economy Is Devouring Gen Z — and the Rest of Us

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How the Attention Economy Is Devouring Gen Z — and the Rest of Us mentions A Grief Observed by C.S. Lewis, Seeing Like a State by James C. Scott, The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis, and In This Economy by Kyla Scanlon with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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A Grief Observed

C.S. Lewis

It's like a really nice read on grief because grief can feel very lonely when you're going through it.

Seeing Like a State

James C. Scott

the algorithm has to make things legible to itself.

The Screwtape Letters

C.S. Lewis

the true path away from godliness is a kind of decadence, that there's a connection between those two theories.

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Donald Trump and Zohran Mamdani are both proof of how the ability to capture attention is power. And the attention economy isn’t reshaping just politics; it’s also reshaping the actual economy: the crypto market, A.I. venture capital, and how people, especially Gen Z, are making career decisions. Kyla Scanlon has emerged as a leading theorist on the economics of attention and is herself a member of Gen Z. She is the author of the book “In This Economy?” and Kyla’s Newsletter on Substack. I asked her on the show to walk us through her theory of the attention economy. This episode contains strong language. Mentioned: “Gen Z and the End of Predictable Progress” by Kyla Scanlon “‘We Are the Most Rejected Generation’” by David Brooks “A Divided Gen Z Is Crying for Mercy” by Rachel Janfaza “The Price of Nails Since 1695” by Daniel E. Sichel Give People Money by Annie Lowrey “The World of Wrestling” by Roland Barthes “Peter Thiel and the Antichrist” by Interesting Times with Ross Douthat Book Recommendations: The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis A Grief Observed by C.S. Lewis Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris with Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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A Grief Observed

C.S. Lewis

The host mentions 'A Grief Observed' by C.S. Lewis as a poignant exploration of grief, emphasizing how isolating the…

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Seeing Like a State

James C. Scott

The host references 'Seeing Like a State' to illustrate how algorithms, much like states, need to make information le…

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The Screwtape Letters

C.S. Lewis

The host discusses the concept of friction in the physical world versus the ease of the digital world, linking it to…

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In This Economy

Kyla Scanlon

The host mentions 'In This Economy' to highlight Kyla Scanlon's insights on how Gen Z navigates a rapidly changing ec…

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Jonathan Livingston Seagull

Richard Bach

The host briefly mentions 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull' to illustrate the theme of taking chances in life. This book…

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A Grief Observed

C.S. Lewis

Best for Individuals experiencing grief or lossOften cited around grief and loss

“A really nice read on grief because grief can feel very lonely when you're going through it.”

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended

Trigger: grief and loss

For: Individuals experiencing grief or loss

Key quote: “It's like a really nice read on grief because grief can feel very lonely when you're going through it.”

The host mentions 'A Grief Observed' by C.S. Lewis as a poignant exploration of grief, emphasizing how isolating the experience can feel. They highlight that Lewis's writing helps readers realize they are not alone in their struggles with loss.

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Seeing Like a State

James C. Scott

Best for Individuals interested in AI, economics, and social media dynamics.Often cited around AI and attention economy

“The mention discusses how the state has to make things legible to itself, paralleling how algorithms operate in the economy.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: AI and attention economy

For: Individuals interested in AI, economics, and social media dynamics.

Key quote: “the algorithm has to make things legible to itself.”

The host references 'Seeing Like a State' to illustrate how algorithms, much like states, need to make information legible to themselves. This comparison highlights the importance of attention in the AI landscape and how it shapes perceptions and investments.

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The Screwtape Letters

C.S. Lewis

Best for Readers interested in philosophical and literary analysisOften cited around friction and meaning

“A recommendation for a book that provides insight into grief, making readers feel less alone in their experiences of loss.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: friction and meaning

For: Readers interested in philosophical and literary analysis

Key quote: “the true path away from godliness is a kind of decadence, that there's a connection between those two theories.”

The host discusses the concept of friction in the physical world versus the ease of the digital world, linking it to the themes in 'The Screwtape Letters.' They highlight how C.S. Lewis's work explores the dangers of stagnation and the loss of meaning in life.

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In This Economy

Kyla Scanlon

Best for Young adults and those interested in economic trendsOften cited around economics of attention

“Kyla is also the author of the book, In This Economy. She's a fascinating person to talk about this with.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: economics of attention

For: Young adults and those interested in economic trends

Key quote: “Kyla is very much a member of Gen Z.”

The host mentions 'In This Economy' to highlight Kyla Scanlon's insights on how Gen Z navigates a rapidly changing economic landscape. The book serves as a lens to understand the unique challenges and dynamics of attention as a form of currency in today's society.

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Jonathan Livingston Seagull

Richard Bach

Best for Individuals seeking inspiration for personal growthOften cited around self-discovery and risks

“A story about taking chances and the journey of self-discovery despite others' doubts.”

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Sentiment: Passing Reference

Trigger: self-discovery and risks

For: Individuals seeking inspiration for personal growth

Key quote: “A story about taking chances and the journey of self-discovery despite others' doubts.”

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