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The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

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The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy mentions The Jungle Grows Back by Robert Kagan, The Wise Men by Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas, Diplomacy by Henry Kissinger, and Age of Revolutions by Fareed Zakaria with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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I think one of the sad ironies about all this is that the country that did more than any other country to affect that revolution... is the one now un…

The Wise Men
Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas

Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas wrote a book called The Wise Men, and it was a story of six people who were instrumental in building the post World W…

Diplomacy
Henry Kissinger

Henry Kissinger wrote a wonderful kind of history called diplomacy, and it begins in the 17th century and it goes all the way to the 1970s, 80s, as I…

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If you’re looking for a single-sentence summation of the change in America’s foreign policy under Donald Trump, you could do worse than what Trump said on Wednesday: “The European Union was formed in order to screw the United States. That’s the purpose of it. And they’ve done a good job of it. But now I’m president.” Trump seems to loathe America’s traditional European allies even as he warms relations with Russia. He’s threatened tariffs on Canada and Mexico while softening his rhetoric on China. And he seems fixated on the idea of territorial expansion — whether it’s the Panama Canal, Greenland or even Gaza. There is a “Trump doctrine” emerging here. It’s one that could be glimpsed dimly in Trump’s first term but is exploding to the fore in his second. What will it mean for the world? What will it mean for the United States? Fareed Zakaria is the host of CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS,” a columnist for The Washington Post and the author of the best-selling “Age of Revolutions.” He’s one of the clearest foreign policy thinkers around, and he doesn’t disappoint here. This episode contains strong language. Mentioned: “The Rise of Illiberal Democracy” by Fareed Zakaria Book Recommendations: The Jungle Grows Back by Robert Kagan Diplomacy by Henry Kissinger The Wise Men by Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
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The Jungle Grows Back
Robert Kagan

The host mentions 'The Jungle Grows Back' to highlight the dangers of abandoning the liberal international order that…

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The Wise Men
Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas

The host mentions 'The Wise Men' to highlight the influential figures who shaped the post-World War Two American orde…

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Diplomacy
Henry Kissinger

The host mentions Henry Kissinger's book 'Diplomacy' as a valuable resource for understanding the complexities of his…

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Age of Revolutions
Fareed Zakaria

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  • A second recurring theme is erosion of international order.
  • Referenced books include The Jungle Grows Back by Robert Kagan and The Wise Men by Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas.
  • The strongest audience signal points to Individuals interested in international relations and foreign policy and Readers interested in American history and international relations.

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Best for Individuals interested in international relations and foreign policyOften cited around erosion of international order

A short book that explains the nature of the world America built and how its erosion will result in the jungle of realpolitik, war, and poverty returning.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in international relations and foreign policy
Key quote: I think one of the sad ironies about all this is that the country that did more than any other country to affect that revolution... is the one now undermining it.
The host mentions 'The Jungle Grows Back' to highlight the dangers of abandoning the liberal international order that the United States helped create. Kagan's book serves as a warning about the potential return to a world characterized by realpolitik and conflict if this order continues to erode.
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The Wise Men
Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas
Best for Readers interested in American history and international relationsOften cited around post World War Two order

A biographical lens into the world America built, telling the story of six people instrumental in building the post World War Two American order.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in American history and international relations
Key quote: Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas wrote a book called The Wise Men, and it was a story of six people who were instrumental in building the post World War Two American order.
The host mentions 'The Wise Men' to highlight the influential figures who shaped the post-World War Two American order. He emphasizes its importance and his personal connection to the book as it was his first publication review.
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Diplomacy
Henry Kissinger
Best for Readers interested in historical diplomacy and international relationsOften cited around 19th century diplomacy

A wonderful history that begins in the 17th century and goes to the 1970s, covering the ups and downs of 18th and 19th century diplomacy.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in historical diplomacy and international relations
Key quote: Henry Kissinger wrote a wonderful kind of history called diplomacy, and it begins in the 17th century and it goes all the way to the 1970s, 80s, as I recall.
The host mentions Henry Kissinger's book 'Diplomacy' as a valuable resource for understanding the complexities of historical diplomacy. This book provides insights into the evolution of international relations from the 17th century to the late 20th century.
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Age of Revolutions
Fareed Zakaria
Best for Listeners interested in foreign policy and international relationsOften cited around Trump doctrine analysis

Fareed Zakaria, the host of GPS and CNN, a Washington Post columnist and the author of the bestselling book Age of Revolutions.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in foreign policy and international relations
Key quote: So I'm joined today by Fareed Zakaria, the host of GPS and CNN, a Washington Post columnist and the author of the bestselling book Age of Revolutions.
The host mentions 'Age of Revolutions' to introduce Fareed Zakaria, who provides insights on international relations and the implications of Trump's foreign policy. Zakaria's expertise is relevant to understanding the broader context of the Trump doctrine discussed in the episode.
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The Jungle Grows Back
Robert Kagan

The host mentions 'The Jungle Grows Back' to highlight the dangers of abandoning the liberal international order that the United States helped crea…

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The Wise Men cover
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The Wise Men
Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas

The host mentions 'The Wise Men' to highlight the influential figures who shaped the post-World War Two American order. He emphasizes its importanc…

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Diplomacy
Henry Kissinger

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