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Lex Fridman PodcastApr 24, 2025

#466 – Jeffrey Wasserstrom: China, Xi Jinping, Trade War, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mao

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#466 – Jeffrey Wasserstrom: China, Xi Jinping, Trade War, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mao mentions Brave New World Revisited by Aldous Huxley, Animal Farm by George Orwell, We by Yevgeny Zamyatin, and Totalitarianism by Hannah Arendt with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Brave New World Revisited

Aldous Huxley

And he mentions China there.

Animal Farm

George Orwell

And then there’s Animal Farm and 1984 is the second book.

Yevgeny Zamyatin

It was published in Taiwan and Hong Kong too. It’s called the Dystopian Trilogy, and it’s a box set where you have Zamyatin’s We, who then inspired b…

Guest: Jeffrey Wasserstrom

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Jeffrey Wasserstrom is a historian of modern China.

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Brave New World Revisited

Aldous Huxley

The speakers mention Brave New World Revisited while debating whether modern China more closely resembles Huxley’s or…

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Animal Farm

George Orwell

The speakers mention Animal Farm while discussing how different dystopian novels (We, Animal Farm, 1984, Brave New Wo…

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Yevgeny Zamyatin

The speakers compare contemporary China to classic dystopian novels, arguing that aspects of Huxley’s Brave New World…

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Totalitarianism

Hannah Arendt

The speaker mentions Totalitarianism (Hannah Arendt) to illustrate that works about totalitarian systems are availabl…

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1984

George Orwell

The speaker mentions 1984 while discussing how certain books about totalitarianism can circulate in China despite str…

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Brave New World

Aldous Huxley

The speaker mentions Brave New World while comparing different dystopian models to describe modern China's social and…

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Handmaid's Tale

Margaret Atwood

The speaker discusses how authoritarian regimes sometimes allow works that are not explicitly about them, using alleg…

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A second recurring theme is censorship and allegory.
Referenced books include Brave New World Revisited by Aldous Huxley and Animal Farm by George Orwell.
The strongest audience signal points to readers interested in dystopian literature, censorship, and political history (especially China-focused readers) and readers interested in political fiction, censorship, and comparative studies of dystopian works.

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readers interested in dystopian literature, censorship, and political history (especially China-focused readers)readers interested in political fiction, censorship, and comparative studies of dystopian worksReaders interested in political philosophy, censorship, and comparisons between classic dystopian literature and contemporary ChinaReaders and researchers interested in censorship, comparative politics, and how literature about authoritarianism circulates in restricted societiesreaders and observers interested in censorship, political history, and comparative literature on authoritarianismreaders and listeners interested in political science, censorship, and comparative dystopian literature

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Brave New World Revisited

Aldous Huxley

Best for readers interested in dystopian literature, censorship, and political history (especially China-focused readers)Often cited around dystopian comparisons

“Named as a follow-up Huxley wrote and discussed in relation to China: 'Huxley did write something called Brave New World Revisited in the ’50s.'”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: dystopian comparisons

For: readers interested in dystopian literature, censorship, and political history (especially China-focused readers)

Key quote: “And he mentions China there.”

The speakers mention Brave New World Revisited while debating whether modern China more closely resembles Huxley’s or Orwell’s dystopias, noting Huxley’s explicit references to China in the nonfiction follow-up. They discuss publication history and censorship, including how editions sold on the Chinese mainland have excised passages that mention China.

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Animal Farm

George Orwell

Best for readers interested in political fiction, censorship, and comparative studies of dystopian worksOften cited around dystopian literature comparison

“Listed as part of the same 'Dystopian Trilogy' box set alongside 1984 and works by Huxley: 'And then there’s Animal Farm and 1984 is the second book.'”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: dystopian literature comparison

For: readers interested in political fiction, censorship, and comparative studies of dystopian works

Key quote: “And then there’s Animal Farm and 1984 is the second book.”

The speakers mention Animal Farm while discussing how different dystopian novels (We, Animal Farm, 1984, Brave New World) have been published and censored in Greater China, noting edits to specific passages that reference China. They use the example to illustrate the subtlety of Chinese censorship and how regimes allow partial access to critique while removing the most revealing connections to contemporary governance.

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Yevgeny Zamyatin

Best for Readers interested in political philosophy, censorship, and comparisons between classic dystopian literature and contemporary ChinaOften cited around dystopian comparisons

“Included as part of a 'Dystopian Trilogy' box set that influenced Orwell and Huxley: 'Zamyatin’s We, who then inspired both Orwell and Huxley...'”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: dystopian comparisons

For: Readers interested in political philosophy, censorship, and comparisons between classic dystopian literature and contemporary China

Key quote: “It was published in Taiwan and Hong Kong too. It’s called the Dystopian Trilogy, and it’s a box set where you have Zamyatin’s We, who then inspired both Orwell and Huxley to some extent.”

The speakers compare contemporary China to classic dystopian novels, arguing that aspects of Huxley’s Brave New World often map onto modern control through pleasure and distraction while Orwellian mechanisms appear in harsher regions or moments. They discuss publication and censorship of dystopian works in China, noting edited editions that remove passages explicitly linking Huxley’s observations to China, illustrating subtle state censorship.

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Totalitarianism

Hannah Arendt

Best for Readers and researchers interested in censorship, comparative politics, and how literature about authoritarianism circulates in restricted societiesOften cited around Chinese censorship examples

“Mentioned as something you can read in China about totalitarianism: 'You can read Hannah Arendt’s book on totalitarianism.'”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: Chinese censorship examples

For: Readers and researchers interested in censorship, comparative politics, and how literature about authoritarianism circulates in restricted societies

Key quote: “So I’m always interested in things that you would expect to be censored that aren’t censored.”

The speaker mentions Totalitarianism (Hannah Arendt) to illustrate that works about totalitarian systems are available in China despite heavy censorship, because they are not explicitly about China. They use the book to show how allegory or discussion of other regimes can evade restrictions and influence Chinese readers' understanding of their own society.

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1984

George Orwell

Best for readers and observers interested in censorship, political history, and comparative literature on authoritarianismOften cited around censorship in China

“Referenced multiple times as available in Chinese bookstores and compared to China's situation: 'You can buy 1984 in a Chinese bookstore.'”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: censorship in China

For: readers and observers interested in censorship, political history, and comparative literature on authoritarianism

Key quote: “You can buy 1984 in a Chinese bookstore.”

The speaker mentions 1984 while discussing how certain books about totalitarianism can circulate in China despite strict censorship, and how readers there interpret Orwell's themes differently over time. They use 1984 as an example to contrast visible symbols of authoritarian control with subtler modern forms and to compare it with Brave New World as models for understanding contemporary China.

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Brave New World

Aldous Huxley

Best for readers and listeners interested in political science, censorship, and comparative dystopian literatureOften cited around censorship comparisons

“Discussed as a comparison to 1984 and China: 'I’ve recently... reread Brave New World a couple of times.'”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: censorship comparisons

For: readers and listeners interested in political science, censorship, and comparative dystopian literature

Key quote: “Yeah. You’ve actually spoken about and described China’s more akin to the dystopian world of Brave New World than 1984, which is really interesting to think about.”

The speaker mentions Brave New World while comparing different dystopian models to describe modern China's social and political atmosphere, arguing that some aspects of the 21st century resemble Huxley’s vision more than Orwell’s. They note having reread Brave New World (and 1984) and find Brave New World a useful lens for thinking about how consumer comforts and social engineering can create a dystopia distinct from overt totalitarian repression.

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Handmaid's Tale

Margaret Atwood

Best for readers interested in political censorship, students of dystopian literature, and those studying allegory as a means of critiqueOften cited around censorship and allegory

“Mentioned alongside 1984 for its clarity in constructing totalitarian elements: 'There’s a clarity to Margaret Atwood’s Handmaid’s Tale.'”

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Sentiment: Passing Reference

Trigger: censorship and allegory

For: readers interested in political censorship, students of dystopian literature, and those studying allegory as a means of critique

Key quote: “So something through allegory, something through imagining a place that looks a lot like a Communist Party-ruled state so that people are going to read it…”

The speaker discusses how authoritarian regimes sometimes allow works that are not explicitly about them, using allegory and dystopian fiction to convey critiques indirectly. In that context they mention various dystopian novels as examples of how readers interpret and relate to censorship and control, including The Handmaid's Tale as part of this landscape of allegorical critique.

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