Richard Rhodes — The making of the atomic bomb

they're are huge fans of yours the way they see the progress in the field is exactly like when they start reading this book

people don't understand that the atom bomb in the case of a hydrogen bomb the atom bomb which we the pictures we see of Nagasaki and Hiroshima that i…

H. G. Wells

HG Wells wrote his novel The World set free 1913 predicting an atomic war that would lead to World Government

Guest: Richard Rhodes

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It was a tremendous honor & pleasure to interview Richard Rhodes, Pulitzer Prize winning author of The Making of the Atomic Bomb We discuss - similarities between AI progress & Manhattan Project (developing a powerful, unprecedented, & potentially apocalyptic technology within an uncertain arms-race situation) - visiting starving former Soviet scientists during fall of Soviet Union - whether Oppenheimer was a spy, & consulting on the Nolan movie - living through WW2 as a child - odds of nuclear war in Ukraine, Taiwan, Pakistan, & North Korea - how the US pulled of such a massive secret wartime scientific & industrial project Watch on YouTube . Listen on Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript here . Follow me on Twitter for updates on future episodes. Timestamps (0:00:00) - Oppenheimer movie (0:06:22) - Was the bomb inevitable? (0:29:10) - Firebombing vs nuclear vs hydrogen bombs (0:49:44) - Stalin & the Soviet program (1:08:24) - Deterrence, disarmament, North Korea, Taiwan (1:33:12) - Oppenheimer as lab director (1:53:40) - AI progress vs Manhattan Project (1:59:50) - Living through WW2 (2:16:45) - Secrecy (2:26:34) - Wisdom & war Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe

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Best for Listeners interested in the history of the atomic bomb, Oppenheimer, and the ethical implications of scientific progressOften cited around Oppenheimer movie

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Key quote: “they're are huge fans of yours the way they see the progress in the field is exactly like when they start reading this book”

The host mentions The Making of the Atomic Bomb while discussing the new Oppenheimer movie and the consultation with the book's author. They invoke the book to provide historical context about Oppenheimer, the Trinity device, and perceptions of scientific progress and danger.

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Key quote: “people don't understand that the atom bomb in the case of a hydrogen bomb the atom bomb which we the pictures we see of Nagasaki and Hiroshima that is simply The Detonator of a modern nuclear bomb”

The host mentions The Doomsday Machine to highlight how military planners and scientists rationalized early nuclear use and escalation during WWII and afterward. They use the book to explain the vast difference in destructive power between atomic bombs like Hiroshima and thermonuclear weapons and the troubling logic behind plans to escalate bombing.

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Key quote: “HG Wells wrote his novel The World set free 1913 predicting an atomic war that would lead to World Government”

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The Trenches of the First World War

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Key quote: “somebody called The Trenches of the First World War the long grave already dug”

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The Making of the Atomic Bomb

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they're are huge fans of yours the way they see the progress in the field is exactly like when they start reading this book

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people don't understand that the atom bomb in the case of a hydrogen bomb the atom bomb which we the pictures we see of Nagasaki and Hiroshima that i…

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HG Wells wrote his novel The World set free 1913 predicting an atomic war that would lead to World Government

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Oppenheimer

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Peaky Blinders

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