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Dwarkesh PodcastMar 22, 2023

Nat Friedman (Github CEO) — Reading ancient scrolls, open source, & AI

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Book of Leviticus The Innovator's Dilemma

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clay Christensen wrote The innovator's Dilemma and I think what happened was that everyone read it and they said oh like disruption is this thing tha…

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It is said that the two greatest problems of history are: how to account for the rise of Rome, and how to account for her fall. If so, then the volcanic ashes spewed by Mount Vesuvius in 79 AD - which entomb the cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum in South Italy - hold history’s greatest prize. For beneath those ashes lies the only salvageable library from the classical world. Nat Friedman was the CEO of Github form 2018 to 2021. Before that, he started and sold two companies - Ximian and Xamarin . He is also the founder of AI Grant and California YIMBY . And most recently, he has created and funded the Vesuvius Challenge - a million dollar prize for reading an unopened Herculaneum scroll for the very first time. If we can decipher these scrolls, we may be able to recover lost gospels, forgotten epics, and even missing works of Aristotle. We also discuss the future of open source and AI, running Github and building Copilot, and why EMH is a lie. Watch on YouTube . Listen on Apple Podcasts , Spotify , or any other podcast platform. Read the full transcript here . Follow me on Twitter for updates on future episodes. Timestamps (0:00:00) - Vesuvius Challenge (0:30:00) - Finding points of leverage (0:37:39) - Open Source in AI (0:40:32) - Github Acquisition (0:50:18) - Copilot origin Story (1:11:47) - Nat.org (1:32:56) - Questions from Twitter Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe

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Book of Leviticus

Best for scholars and technologists interested in digital humanities, manuscript recovery, and computational imagingOften cited around carbonized scroll reading

“Described as the contents read from a CT-scanned Dead Sea scroll, identified as an early part of the Book of Leviticus (line [1101]).”

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For: scholars and technologists interested in digital humanities, manuscript recovery, and computational imaging

Key quote: “it turned out to be I think an early part of the Book of Leviticus”

The host mentions the Book of Leviticus as an example of a successful non-destructive reading of a carbonized papyrus scroll using 3D X-ray CT scanning and computational unwrapping. They contrast that success with the harder problem of reading Herculaneum scrolls because their ink does not provide high X-ray contrast, making new techniques necessary.

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The Innovator's Dilemma

Clayton M. Christensen

Best for business leaders, corporate strategists, and product managers interested in disruption and innovation strategyOften cited around incumbents avoiding disruption

“Mentioned as a book Clay Christensen wrote that described disruption and 'the innovator's dilemma' during the mini/microcomputer era.”

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Key quote: “clay Christensen wrote The innovator's Dilemma and I think what happened was that everyone read it and they said oh like disruption is this thing that occurs and we have this innovator's dilemma where we get disrupted because the new thing is cheaper and we can't let that happen”

The host cites The Innovator's Dilemma to explain how reading Christensen changed incumbent behavior, making large firms actively prevent disruption by creating separate channels and accepting cannibalization. They use the book to frame a broader argument that incumbents have become better at integrating new technologies (like AI) and maintaining stability over the past 15 years.

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