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Dwarkesh PodcastAug 3, 2022

Joseph Carlsmith - Utopia, AI, & Infinite Ethics

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Joseph Carlsmith - Utopia, AI, & Infinite Ethics mentions A Swim in the Pond in the Rain by George Saunders, The Precipice by Toby ORD, Housekeeping by Marilyn Robinson, and Play Angels in America with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Mentioned as a book about fiction writing by George Saunders; speaker references its vibe and attentiveness to sentence-level writing.

this is somewhat self-serving because I helped with this project is the book The precipice by Toby ORD

Housekeeping
Marilyn Robinson

I read this book housekeeping by Marilyn Robinson and it had this sort of numinous quality that I think a lot of her writing does and so I really lik…

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Joseph Carlsmith is a senior research analyst at Open Philanthropy and a doctoral student in philosophy at the University of Oxford . We discuss utopia, artificial intelligence, computational power of the brain , infinite ethics , learning from the fact that you exist, perils of futurism, and blogging. Watch on YouTube . Listen on Spotify , Apple Podcasts , etc. Episode website + Transcript here . Follow Joseph on Twitter . Follow me on Twitter . Subscribe to find out about future episodes! Timestamps (0:00:06) - Introduction (0:02:53) - How to Define a Better Future? (0:09:19) - Utopia (0:25:12) - Robin Hanson’s EMs (0:27:35) - Human Computational Capacity (0:34:15) - FLOPS to Emulate Human Cognition? (0:40:15) - Infinite Ethics (1:00:51) - SIA vs SSA (1:17:53) - Futurism & Unreality (1:23:36) - Blogging & Productivity (1:28:43) - Book Recommendations (1:30:04) - Conclusion Please share if you enjoyed this episode! Helps out a ton! Get full access to Dwarkesh Podcast at www.dwarkesh.com/subscribe
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A Swim in the Pond in the Rain
George Saunders

The host mentioned the book as a notable guide to fiction writing by George Saunders, emphasizing its attention to se…

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The Precipice
Toby ORD

The host recommends The Precipice because they were involved in the project and feel the book conveys ideas that have…

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Housekeeping
Marilyn Robinson

The host mentions Marilynne Robinson's Housekeeping as one of several personal favorite reads and highlights its 'num…

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Play Angels in America

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Aspiring fiction writers and writers wanting to improve sentence-level craftListeners interested in big-picture ideas about existential risk and influential non-fictionListeners who appreciate literary fiction with lyrical, philosophical, or introspective qualitiesPeople interested in important modern dramas and those who appreciate epic, influential works (general readers and viewers)

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A Swim in the Pond in the Rain cover
Best for Aspiring fiction writers and writers wanting to improve sentence-level craftOften cited around fiction writing craft

Mentioned as a book about fiction writing by George Saunders; speaker references its vibe and attentiveness to sentence-level writing.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Aspiring fiction writers and writers wanting to improve sentence-level craft
Key quote: Mentioned as a book about fiction writing by George Saunders; speaker references its vibe and attentiveness to sentence-level writing.
The host mentioned the book as a notable guide to fiction writing by George Saunders, emphasizing its attention to sentence-level craft and overall vibe. They referenced it to illustrate a resource that digs into the mechanics and voice of writing rather than just high-level theory.
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The Precipice cover
Best for Listeners interested in big-picture ideas about existential risk and influential non-fictionOften cited around book recommendations

Guest recommends 'The Precipice' and notes they helped with the project; says it's impactful and conveys important ideas.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Listeners interested in big-picture ideas about existential risk and influential non-fiction
Key quote: this is somewhat self-serving because I helped with this project is the book The precipice by Toby ORD
The host recommends The Precipice because they were involved in the project and feel the book conveys ideas that have had a major impact on their life. They present it as a primary recommendation for listeners interested in the important ideas the book addresses.
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Housekeeping
Marilyn Robinson
Best for Listeners who appreciate literary fiction with lyrical, philosophical, or introspective qualitiesOften cited around book recommendations

Guest says they read the book 'Housekeeping' by Marilyn Robinson last year and recommends it for its numinous quality.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Listeners who appreciate literary fiction with lyrical, philosophical, or introspective qualities
Key quote: I read this book housekeeping by Marilyn Robinson and it had this sort of numinous quality that I think a lot of her writing does and so I really like that and recommend it to people.
The host mentions Marilynne Robinson's Housekeeping as one of several personal favorite reads and highlights its 'numinous' quality that resonated with them. They recommend it as a work of fiction worth reading for its distinctive, evocative prose and emotional impact.
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Best for People interested in important modern dramas and those who appreciate epic, influential works (general readers and viewers)Often cited around book recommendations

Speaker says 'I love the Play Angels in America' then notes it's not quite a book and recommends watching the HBO miniseries.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: People interested in important modern dramas and those who appreciate epic, influential works (general readers and viewers)
Key quote: I love the Play Angels in America and I think it's an epic and amazing and I actually recommend watching the HBO miniseries.
The host lists books that influenced their thinking and recommends them to the audience, highlighting one as especially impactful. They praise Angels in America as an epic work and suggest watching the HBO miniseries rather than only reading it.
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Mentioned as a book about fiction writing by George Saunders; speaker references its vibe and attentiveness to sentence-level writing.
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this is somewhat self-serving because I helped with this project is the book The precipice by Toby ORD
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A Swim in the Pond in the Rain cover
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A Swim in the Pond in the Rain
George Saunders

The host mentioned the book as a notable guide to fiction writing by George Saunders, emphasizing its attention to sentence-level craft and overall…

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The Precipice cover
Mentioned at 1:29:44
The Precipice
Toby ORD

The host recommends The Precipice because they were involved in the project and feel the book conveys ideas that have had a major impact on their l…

Direct Amazon listing · affiliate link
Housekeeping cover
Mentioned at 1:30:26
Housekeeping
Marilyn Robinson

The host mentions Marilynne Robinson's Housekeeping as one of several personal favorite reads and highlights its 'numinous' quality that resonated…

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