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579. The Irish War of Independence: Showdown in London (Part 4)

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579. The Irish War of Independence: Showdown in London (Part 4) mentions the diary of Frances Stevenson, the treaty by Gretchen Freeman, Fatal Path by Ronan Fanning, and The Riddle of the Sands by Erskine Childers with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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the diary of Frances Stevenson

So that was the diary of Frances Stevenson, who was personal secretary to David Lloyd George, the Prime Minister of Britain, and it's her entry for t…

the treaty

Gretchen Freeman

What they really worried about is that it would be an inspiration to people in India and in Egypt.

Fatal Path

Ronan Fanning

Ronan Fanning, Professor of History at University College Dublin, who wrote a brilliant book on all this called Fatal Path, he's unbelievably scathin…

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What were the terms of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, signed in December 1921, following negotiations between the UK and Sinn Féin? How was it received by the Irish people? What was the process by which it was agreed between Lloyd George, Winston Churchill, Michael Collins, and Arthur Griffith? Why did Éamon de Valera object to the treaty, and how did this sow the seeds of civil war? Had the Irish beaten the British militarily up to this point? And, what would be the consequences of this controversial treaty for the future of Ireland, and Anglo-Irish relations? Join Dominic and Tom as they discuss the totemic Anglo-Irish Treaty - one of the most controversial moments in Irish political history, which would transform the fate of Ireland forever… The Rest Is History Club: Become a member for exclusive bonus content, early access to full series and live show tickets, ad-free listening, our exclusive newsletter, discount book prices on titles mentioned on the pod, and our members’ chatroom on Discord. Just head to therestishistory.com to sign up, or start a free trial today on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/therestishistory. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com _______ Twitter: @TheRestHistory @holland_tom @dcsandbrook Producer: Theo Young-Smith Assistant Producer: Tabby Syrett + Aaliyah Akude

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the diary of Frances Stevenson

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the treaty

Gretchen Freeman

The host discusses Lloyd George's complex political situation in 1921, highlighting his dependence on Conservative su…

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Fatal Path

Ronan Fanning

The host mentions 'Fatal Path' to highlight the inadequacies of the Irish negotiating team during a pivotal moment in…

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The Riddle of the Sands

Erskine Childers

The host mentions 'The Riddle of the Sands' to highlight Erskine Childers' transformation from a British civil servan…

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Ronan Fanning

The host references Ronan Fanning's book to highlight the inadequacies of the Irish negotiating team during a critica…

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Irish revolutionary negotiations(2)Erskine Childers' background(1)Frances Stevenson and Lloyd George(1)Lloyd George and Ireland(1)

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the diary of Frances Stevenson

Best for History enthusiasts and students of British politicsOften cited around Frances Stevenson and Lloyd George

“Frances Stevenson was personal secretary to David Lloyd George, and it's her entry for the 14th of July, 1921, describing a meeting with de Valera.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: Frances Stevenson and Lloyd George

For: History enthusiasts and students of British politics

Key quote: “So that was the diary of Frances Stevenson, who was personal secretary to David Lloyd George, the Prime Minister of Britain, and it's her entry for the 14th of July, 1921.”

The host discusses an entry from 'The Diary of Frances Stevenson' to highlight the complexities of the meeting between David Lloyd George and de Valera. This context serves to illustrate the dynamics of British imperialism and personal relationships during that era.

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the treaty

Gretchen Freeman

Best for Listeners interested in British political history and the complexities of colonial relations.Often cited around Lloyd George and Ireland

“Gretchen Freeman, who's written an actually incredibly readable book on the treaty, wouldn't think that this is a very readable subject, but she does brilliantly this sort of popular narrative.”

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis

Trigger: Lloyd George and Ireland

For: Listeners interested in British political history and the complexities of colonial relations.

Key quote: “What they really worried about is that it would be an inspiration to people in India and in Egypt.”

The host discusses Lloyd George's complex political situation in 1921, highlighting his dependence on Conservative support while navigating the challenges posed by Ireland. The mention of 'The Treaty' by Gretchen Freeman serves to underscore the intricacies of the treaty negotiations and their implications for British politics and imperial stability.

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Fatal Path

Ronan Fanning

Best for Historians and students of Irish historyOften cited around Irish revolutionary negotiations

“Ronan Fanning, Professor of History at University College Dublin, who wrote a brilliant book on all this called Fatal Path, is scathing about the team.”

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis

Trigger: Irish revolutionary negotiations

For: Historians and students of Irish history

Key quote: “Ronan Fanning, Professor of History at University College Dublin, who wrote a brilliant book on all this called Fatal Path, he's unbelievably scathing about the team.”

The host mentions 'Fatal Path' to highlight the inadequacies of the Irish negotiating team during a pivotal moment in history. Ronan Fanning's critique underscores the lack of preparation and political training that hindered their effectiveness in negotiations.

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The Riddle of the Sands

Erskine Childers

Best for Listeners interested in Irish history and literatureOften cited around Erskine Childers' background

“Erskine Childers, who wrote the spy novel, The Riddle of the Sands, predicting the First World War, becomes a fierce critic of the empire and converts to being an Irish nationalist.”

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Sentiment: Passing Reference

Trigger: Erskine Childers' background

For: Listeners interested in Irish history and literature

Key quote: “He wrote the spy novel, The Riddle of the Sands, predicting the First World War.”

The host mentions 'The Riddle of the Sands' to highlight Erskine Childers' transformation from a British civil servant to an Irish nationalist. This book is noted as a significant work that predicted the First World War, showcasing Childers' early literary contributions.

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Ronan Fanning

Best for Historians and students of Irish historyOften cited around Irish revolutionary negotiations

“An amazing comment that Ronan Fanning quotes in his book, referencing Lionel Curtis, a British official involved in the negotiations.”

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis

Trigger: Irish revolutionary negotiations

For: Historians and students of Irish history

Key quote: “Ronan Fanning, Professor of History at University College Dublin, who wrote a brilliant book on all this called Fatal Path, he's unbelievably scathing about the team.”

The host references Ronan Fanning's book to highlight the inadequacies of the Irish negotiating team during a critical historical moment. Fanning's critique emphasizes their lack of preparation and political training, which contributed to their struggles in negotiations.

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What they really worried about is that it would be an inspiration to people in India and in Egypt.

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