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Hardcore HistoryJun 7, 2024

Show 71 - Mania for Subjugation

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Show 71 - Mania for Subjugation includes mentions of By the Spear: Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise of the Macedonian Empire by Ian Worthington, By the Spear, Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise and Fall of the Macedonian Empire by Ian Worthington, Alexander the Great, the Invisible Enemy by John Maxwell O'Brien, and Philip II of Macazon, Greater Than Alexander by Richard E. E. E. E. Gabriel, with indexed source context and timestamps where available.

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Indexed context: The host mentions 'By the Spear' to provide a detailed narrative of the events surrounding Philip II's assassination. Ian Worthington's insights, alo…

Indexed context: The host mentions Ian Worthington's book to illustrate the stark cultural differences between Macedonians and Athenians, particularly in their upbrin…

Indexed context: The host discusses the complex relationship between Alexander the Great and the Greek god Dionysus, highlighting how this connection is explored in J…

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What's the recipe for making a historically world-class apex predator? In the case of Alexander the Great, it might be the three Ns: Nature, Nurture, and Nepotism.
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By the Spear: Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise of the Macedonian Empire
Ian Worthington

The host mentions 'By the Spear' to provide a detailed narrative of the events surrounding Philip II's assassination.…

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By the Spear, Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise and Fall of the Macedonian Empire
Ian Worthington

The host mentions Ian Worthington's book to illustrate the stark cultural differences between Macedonians and Athenia…

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By the Spear, Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise and Fall of the Macedonian Empire
Ian Worthington

The host discusses the cultural differences between Macedonians and Athenians as highlighted in Ian Worthington's boo…

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Alexander the Great, the Invisible Enemy
John Maxwell O'Brien

The host discusses the complex relationship between Alexander the Great and the Greek god Dionysus, highlighting how…

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By the Spear
Ian Worthington

The host mentions 'By the Spear' to illustrate the cultural differences between Macedonians and Athenians, particular…

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Philip II of Macazon, Greater Than Alexander
Richard E. E. E. E. Gabriel

The host mentions Richard E. E. E. E. Gabriel's book to highlight Philip II's strategic approach to warfare, which wa…

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Peter Green's description
Peter Green

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Alexander
Peter Green

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  • The conversation centers on Alexander and Dionysus connection.
  • A second recurring theme is Alexander's education and philosophy.
  • Referenced books include By the Spear: Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise of the Macedonian Empire by Ian Worthington and By the Spear, Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise and Fall of the Macedonian Empire by Ian Worthington.
  • Related interests include Historians and enthusiasts of ancient history and Historians and enthusiasts of ancient military history.

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By the Spear: Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise of the Macedonian Empire by Ian Worthington, By the Spear, Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise and Fall of the Macedonian Empire by Ian Worthington, and Alexander the Great, the Invisible Enemy by John Maxwell O'Brien are the clearest linked books in this episode, each tied back to source cards and timestamps where available.

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By the Spear: Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise of the Macedonian Empire cover
Best for Historians and enthusiasts of ancient historyOften cited around assassination of Philip II

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Ian Worthington discusses the assassination of Philip II and the events surrounding it, providing a narrative interspersed with Diodorus's accounts.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of ancient history
Indexed context: Ian Worthington discusses the assassination of Philip II and the events surrounding it, providing a narrative interspersed with Diodorus's accounts.
The host mentions 'By the Spear' to provide a detailed narrative of the events surrounding Philip II's assassination. Ian Worthington's insights, along with Diodorus's accounts, enrich the understanding of this pivotal moment in history.
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By the Spear, Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise and Fall of the Macedonian Empire cover
Best for Historians and enthusiasts of ancient military historyOften cited around Macedonian culture and warfare

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Ian Worthington draws distinctions between Athenian and Macedonian cultures and their effects on battlefield behavior in his book.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of ancient military history
Indexed context: The whole fabric of Macedonian society was alien to Greeks, and so abhorred by them.
The host mentions Ian Worthington's book to illustrate the stark cultural differences between Macedonians and Athenians, particularly in their upbringing and societal expectations. This comparison highlights how these differences influenced their effectiveness in battle, providing a deeper understanding of the Macedonian Empire's military success.
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By the Spear, Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise and Fall of the Macedonian Empire cover
Best for Historians and enthusiasts of ancient military cultureOften cited around Macedonian society and culture

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In his book, Worthington draws distinctions between Athenian and Macedonian cultures, discussing how upbringing influences battlefield effectiveness.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of ancient military culture
Indexed context: The whole fabric of Macedonian society was alien to Greeks, and so abhorred by them.
The host discusses the cultural differences between Macedonians and Athenians as highlighted in Ian Worthington's book. This comparison illustrates how upbringing and societal norms influenced their capabilities in battle.
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Alexander the Great, the Invisible Enemy cover
Best for Historians and enthusiasts of Greek mythologyOften cited around Alexander and Dionysus connection

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The book discusses the connection between Alexander and the god Dionysus, exploring the complexities of this relationship.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of Greek mythology
Indexed context: O'Brien points out that Dionysus wasn't really so much the god of wine as he was the wine itself.
The host discusses the complex relationship between Alexander the Great and the Greek god Dionysus, highlighting how this connection is explored in John Maxwell O'Brien's book. The book delves into the dual nature of Dionysus and how it reflects both the divine and human aspects of existence.
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By the Spear
Ian Worthington
Best for Historians and enthusiasts of ancient military cultureOften cited around Macedonian culture comparison

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Historian Ian Worthington in his book By the Spear gives a different account of Alexander's look and discusses the propaganda surrounding his appearance.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of ancient military culture
Indexed context: The whole fabric of Macedonian society was alien to Greeks, and so abhorred by them.
The host mentions 'By the Spear' to illustrate the cultural differences between Macedonians and Athenians, particularly in their upbringing and societal expectations. Ian Worthington's analysis highlights how these distinctions could influence their effectiveness in battle.
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Philip II of Macazon, Greater Than Alexander cover
Best for Historians and enthusiasts of military strategyOften cited around Philip II's statecraft and warfare

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The book discusses Philip's statecraft and how it was oriented towards results rather than personal glory, contrasting him with the heroes of the Iliad.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of military strategy
Indexed context: For Philip, war was first and foremost, an instrument of state policy, with which to achieve specific strategic objectives.
The host mentions Richard E. E. E. E. Gabriel's book to highlight Philip II's strategic approach to warfare, which was more focused on statecraft than personal glory. Gabriel's analysis provides a nuanced understanding of Philip's methods and the political implications of his actions.
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Best for Historians and enthusiasts of ancient historyOften cited around description of Alexander the Great

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Peter Green's description from around 1970 provides a detailed account of Alexander's appearance, including his height and hair.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of ancient history
Indexed context: Alexander had grown into a boy of rather below average height but very muscular and compact of body he was already like his hero Achilles a remarkably fast runner his hair blonde and tousled is traditionally said to have resembled a lion's mane and he had that high complexion which fair-skinned people so often display his eyes were odd one being gray blue the other dark brown his teeth were sharply pointed like little pegs says the Alexander romance and uncharacteristically realistic touch green rights which carries instant conviction.
The host references Peter Green's description to illustrate the complexities of reconstructing historical figures' appearances from limited sources. Green's insights provide a vivid portrayal of Alexander that highlights both his physical attributes and the challenges historians face in interpreting ancient texts.
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Alexander
Peter Green
Best for students of history and psychologyOften cited around ambition and historical figures

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Historian Peter Green wrote about Olympias and her eccentric personality in his classic work on Alexander from the early 1970s.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: students of history and psychology
Indexed context: when you're playing on that level of rarefied turf you're up against people like alexander the great
The host discusses the dangerous side of ambition by referencing Julius Caesar's obsession with surpassing Alexander the Great. This comparison illustrates how unchecked ambition can lead to catastrophic consequences for both the individual and society.
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Best for Students of philosophy and history enthusiastsOften cited around Alexander's education and philosophy

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Plutarch published a book called The Secret Knowledge of Alexander, which includes a letter from Alexander to Aristotle about secret information.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Students of philosophy and history enthusiasts
Indexed context: the secret knowledge by the way is something we know about because uh it was written about in plutarch where he published a book called the secret knowledge of alexander
The host discusses the educational background of Alexander the Great, emphasizing the influence of Aristotle and the philosophical teachings he received. The mention of Plutarch's book highlights the secret knowledge that Alexander sought to maintain an advantage over others, illustrating the intersection of philosophy and action in his life.
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Best for Historians and philosophy enthusiastsOften cited around Alexander's education and philosophy

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Plutarch published a book called The Secret Knowledge of Alexander, which includes a letter from Alexander to Aristotle later in life, discussing hidden knowledge that gives an advantage over others.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and philosophy enthusiasts
Indexed context: the secret knowledge by the way is something we know about because uh it was written about in plutarch where he published a book called the secret knowledge of alexander
The host discusses the unique educational background of Alexander the Great, emphasizing how it set him apart from other conquerors. The mention of Plutarch's book highlights the philosophical depth and secret knowledge that Alexander possessed, which contributed to his effectiveness as a leader.
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The Life of Greece cover
Best for Historians and students of ancient historyOften cited around Philip the Great's character

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Will Durant describes Philip the Great, highlighting his virtues and flaws, portraying him as a complex figure in his book, The Life of Greece.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and students of ancient history
Indexed context: He had all the virtues except those of civilization.
The host references Will Durant's 'The Life of Greece' to provide a nuanced portrayal of Philip the Great, contrasting historical perspectives. Durant's description highlights both the strengths and flaws of Philip, offering a comprehensive view of his personality and leadership.
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Alexander Romance cover
Best for Historians and enthusiasts of ancient historyOften cited around Alexander's physical appearance

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The Alexander romance describes Alexander as having sharply pointed teeth, which is noted as an uncharacteristically realistic touch.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of ancient history
Indexed context: Alexander had grown into a boy of rather below average height but very muscular and compact of body.
The host discusses the various descriptions of Alexander the Great's appearance, referencing Peter Green's insights from the 'Alexander Romance.' This exploration highlights how historical accounts may blend fact with embellishment, particularly regarding Alexander's height and physical traits.
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Philip and Alexander
Adrian Goldsworthy
Best for Historians and readers interested in ancient historyOften cited around Olympias and Philip II

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Adrian Goldsworthy has a really interesting point in his book Philip and Alexander that at this point, you know philip has never said what chastising persia is going to mean here.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Historians and readers interested in ancient history
Indexed context: He was joined, you know, like a ball and chain to a dangerous demonic force who eventually destroys him and limits Alexander's ability to be as great as his father.
The host discusses the portrayal of Olympias in historical texts, particularly focusing on how she is depicted as a powerful yet eccentric figure. The mention of 'Philip and Alexander' serves to highlight the contrasting views of Olympias in different eras, emphasizing the harsh judgments she faced compared to more modern interpretations.
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Diodorus
Robin Waterfield
Best for Listeners interested in ancient Greek historyOften cited around importance of Diodorus

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I'm using the excellent Robin Waterfield translation of deodorus by the way.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Listeners interested in ancient Greek history
Indexed context: Given that the Athenians were unprepared, there was, after all, a peace treaty in place between them and Philip.
The host mentions Diodorus to highlight the critical historical context surrounding the Battle of Chaeronea and the Athenians' unpreparedness for Philip's advance. Diodorus's account serves as a vivid illustration of the panic and urgency felt by the Athenians during this pivotal moment in ancient Greek history.
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Best for Historians and enthusiasts of military strategyOften cited around Philip II's statecraft and warfare

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Gabriel discusses Philip's strategic view of war, emphasizing that it was an instrument of state policy rather than for personal glory.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of military strategy
Indexed context: For Philip, war was first and foremost, an instrument of state policy, with which to achieve specific strategic objectives.
The host discusses the insights from Richard E. E. E. E. Gabriel's book regarding Philip II's approach to warfare and statecraft. Gabriel emphasizes that Philip's strategies were more focused on political objectives rather than personal glory, contrasting him with the heroes of the Iliad.
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By the Spear: Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise of the Macedonian Empire cover
Best for Historians and students of ancient historyOften cited around Macedonian Empire history

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Ian Worthington's book discusses the events surrounding Philip II's assassination and the rise of Alexander the Great, incorporating Diodorus's narrative.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Historians and students of ancient history
Indexed context: Ian Worthington's book discusses the events surrounding Philip II's assassination and the rise of Alexander the Great, incorporating Diodorus's narrative.
The host mentions Ian Worthington's book to highlight its detailed examination of the political dynamics during Philip II's assassination and Alexander's subsequent rise. This context is crucial for understanding the historical significance of these events.
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Best for Historians and enthusiasts of Greek mythologyOften cited around Alexander and Dionysus connection

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A book about the connection between Alexander and Dionysus, describing the god in interesting ways.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of Greek mythology
Indexed context: O'Brien points out that Dionysus wasn't really so much the god of wine as he was the wine itself.
The host discusses the complex relationship between Alexander the Great and the god Dionysus, highlighting how this connection has been explored in depth by historian John Maxwell O'Brien. The mention of O'Brien's book serves to illustrate the multifaceted nature of Dionysus and his influence on human behavior, particularly through the symbolism of wine.
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Best for Historians and students of military strategyOften cited around Philip II's statecraft

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The Iliad was a huge book in Macedonian society, and it's suggested that Philip II may have drawn inspiration for his pike phalanxes from it.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Historians and students of military strategy
Indexed context: Unlike the Iliad's heroes, this great warrior-king who took the field every year of his 23-year reign, save one when he was recovering from wounds, who took part in 28 campaigns and 11 sieges, who captured 45 cities, if one can trust Demosthenes, and who was seriously wounded at least five times, never went to war for its own sake or only for personal glory.
The host references 'The Iliad' to contrast the heroic ideals of warfare depicted by Homer with Philip II's pragmatic approach to war as a tool of state policy. This comparison highlights how Philip's strategies were more focused on results than personal glory, which is a departure from the traditional heroic narratives.
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Best for History enthusiasts and students of ancient GreeceOften cited around Philip the Great's character

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Durant describes Philip's character, noting his virtues and flaws, and how he was perceived by contemporaries.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: History enthusiasts and students of ancient Greece
Indexed context: He had all the virtues except those of civilization.
The host references Will Durant's 'The Life of Greece' to provide a nuanced portrayal of Philip the Great, contrasting historical perspectives on his character. Durant's description highlights both the strengths and flaws of Philip, offering a complex view of a man often depicted through propaganda.
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The History of the Peloponnesian War cover
Best for Historians and students of ancient historyOften cited around Greece's historical unity

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The results of Karinia were endless, the unity that Greece had failed to create for itself had been achieved but only at the point of a half alien sword.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Historians and students of ancient history
Indexed context: the unity that Greece had failed to create for itself had been achieved but only at the point of a half alien sword.
The host briefly references 'The History of the Peloponnesian War' to illustrate the complexities of Greek unity. This mention serves to highlight the paradox of achieving unity through conflict.
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The Life of Julius Caesar cover
Best for Listeners interested in historical figures and their psychological profiles.Often cited around Julius Caesar's ambitions

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The excerpt references a story about Julius Caesar recounted by Suetonius, discussing Caesar's ambitions and feelings of inadequacy compared to Alexander the Great.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in historical figures and their psychological profiles.
Indexed context: The excerpt references a story about Julius Caesar recounted by Suetonius, discussing Caesar's ambitions and feelings of inadequacy compared to Alexander the Great.
The host briefly mentions 'The Life of Julius Caesar' to highlight Caesar's ambitions and his feelings of inadequacy. This reference serves to illustrate the historical context of Caesar's character in comparison to Alexander the Great.
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Philip and Alexander
Adrian Goldsworthy
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Best for Historians and readers interested in ancient historyOften cited around Olympias and Philip II

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Adrian Goldsworthy has a really interesting point in his book Philip and Alexander that at this point, you know philip has never said what chastising persia is going to mean here.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Historians and readers interested in ancient history
Indexed context: He's joined, you know, like a ball and chain to a dangerous demonic force who eventually destroys him and limits Alexander's ability to be as great as his father.
The host discusses the portrayal of Olympias in historical texts, particularly focusing on Peter Green's fairer representation compared to earlier sources. This analysis leads to a mention of the book 'Philip and Alexander' to highlight the contrasting views on Olympias's character and influence.
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Parallel Lives cover
Best for Readers interested in historical figures and their motivationsOften cited around Caesar and Alexander's ambition

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Plutarch's account of Julius Caesar's reaction to Alexander the Great is mentioned, highlighting Caesar's ambition and emotional response.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in historical figures and their motivations
Indexed context: Plutarch's account of Julius Caesar's reaction to Alexander the Great is mentioned, highlighting Caesar's ambition and emotional response.
The host briefly mentions Plutarch's 'Parallel Lives' to illustrate Julius Caesar's reaction to Alexander the Great. This reference serves to highlight Caesar's ambition and emotional response in comparison to Alexander.
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Best for Readers interested in historical character studiesOften cited around H.G. Wells' character analysis

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H.G. Wells describes Olympias as a restless and evil woman, highlighting her impact on Philip and Alexander's lives.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in historical character studies
Indexed context: H.G. Wells describes Olympias as a restless and evil woman, highlighting her impact on Philip and Alexander's lives.
The host briefly mentions H.G. Wells' portrayal of Olympias to illustrate her negative influence on historical figures. This reference serves to highlight the complexities of character in historical narratives.
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By the Spear: Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise of the Macedonian Empire
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By the Spear: Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise of the Macedonian Empire
Ian Worthington

The host mentions 'By the Spear' to provide a detailed narrative of the events surrounding Philip II's assassination. Ian Worthington's insights, a…

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By the Spear, Philip II, Alexander the Great, and the Rise and Fall of the Macedonian Empire
Ian Worthington

The host mentions Ian Worthington's book to illustrate the stark cultural differences between Macedonians and Athenians, particularly in their upbr…

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Alexander the Great, the Invisible Enemy
John Maxwell O'Brien

The host discusses the complex relationship between Alexander the Great and the Greek god Dionysus, highlighting how this connection is explored in…

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Alexander

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The movie that Oliver Stone did, his Alexander film, features Angelina Jolie in the role of Olympias, which was a casting choice that worked perfectly for the character.

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Alexander the Great

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A line from the 1950s movie about Alexander the Great starring Richard Burton references the battle of Carinia and the physiques of the defeated Athenians.