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#1963 - Michael Shellenberger mentions The Real Anthony Fauci by Robert Kennedy Jr., The Revolt of the Public by Martin Gurri, The War on Terror, and Anti-Fragile by Nassim Taleb with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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The Real Anthony Fauci
Robert Kennedy Jr.

It's a terrifying book.

He argues that really all of this is just the elites freaking out about the rise of the Internet and that the response is very similar to the respons…

It became clear to us, you know, over time that the US government had turned its propaganda and disinformation campaigns that had been waging abroad.

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Michael Shellenberger is the best-selling author of “Apocalypse Never” and “San Fransicko." He is a journalist and founder of Public, a Substack publication. Michael is a Time Magazine Hero of the Environment and Green Book Award winner. He is also founder and president of Environmental Progress, a research organization that incubates ideas, leaders, and movementsmichaelshellenberger.substack.com
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The Real Anthony Fauci
Robert Kennedy Jr.

The host mentions 'The Real Anthony Fauci' to highlight the alarming claims made about Fauci's handling of public hea…

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The Revolt of the Public
Martin Gurri

The host mentions 'The Revolt of the Public' to illustrate how elites react to the rise of the Internet, similar to t…

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The War on Terror

The host discusses how the US government's propaganda efforts, initially focused abroad during the War on Terror, hav…

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Anti-Fragile
Nassim Taleb

The host mentions 'Anti-Fragile' by Nassim Taleb to emphasize the importance of facing adversity to improve oneself.…

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The End of the World is Just the Beginning
Peter Zion

The host mentions 'The End of the World is Just the Beginning' to highlight the dire consequences of potential U.S. m…

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Woke Racism
John McWhorter

The host mentions 'Woke Racism' by John McWhorter to illustrate the argument that wokeism functions similarly to a re…

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Apocalypse Never

The host mentions 'Apocalypse Never' to highlight how censorship can lead to increased interest in alternative viewpo…

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The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency

The host discusses the evolution of disinformation campaigns by the US government, particularly how they have turned…

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  • A second recurring theme is acknowledging mistakes.
  • Referenced books include The Real Anthony Fauci by Robert Kennedy Jr. and The Revolt of the Public by Martin Gurri.
  • The strongest audience signal points to Individuals interested in public health and government accountability and Individuals interested in media, information control, and societal changes.

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Critical Analysis(13)Deep Dive(7)Passing Reference(4)
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Individuals interested in public health and government accountabilityIndividuals interested in media, information control, and societal changesIndividuals interested in media integrity and government influenceIndividuals seeking personal growth and resilience strategies.Individuals interested in geopolitics and military strategyIndividuals interested in cultural criticism and societal trends

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The Real Anthony Fauci
Robert Kennedy Jr.
Best for Individuals interested in public health and government accountabilityOften cited around Fauci and government accountability

The discussion references Robert Kennedy Jr.'s book, which addresses the AIDS crisis and critiques the handling of public health issues, suggesting it reflects unchecked power and influence.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in public health and government accountability
Key quote: It's a terrifying book.
The host mentions 'The Real Anthony Fauci' to highlight the alarming claims made about Fauci's handling of public health crises, particularly the AIDS crisis. The book is described as a terrifying account of unchecked power and influence, suggesting a pattern of behavior that could be relevant to current events.
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Best for Individuals interested in media, information control, and societal changesOften cited around response to the Internet

The excerpt discusses Martin Gurri's arguments about the elites' reactions to the rise of the Internet, comparing it to the historical response to the printing press.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in media, information control, and societal changes
Key quote: He argues that really all of this is just the elites freaking out about the rise of the Internet and that the response is very similar to the response to the printing press.
The host mentions 'The Revolt of the Public' to illustrate how elites react to the rise of the Internet, similar to their response to the printing press. This book highlights the panic among the elite as they try to maintain control over information in the face of public access to knowledge.
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Best for Individuals interested in media integrity and government influenceOften cited around US government disinformation campaigns

It became clear to us, you know, over time that the US government had turned its propaganda and disinformation campaigns that had been waging abroad. It turned them against the American people.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in media integrity and government influence
Key quote: It became clear to us, you know, over time that the US government had turned its propaganda and disinformation campaigns that had been waging abroad.
The host discusses how the US government's propaganda efforts, initially focused abroad during the War on Terror, have shifted to influence domestic social media and news organizations. This shift raises concerns about the integrity of information and censorship in the current media landscape.
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Anti-Fragile
Nassim Taleb
Best for Individuals seeking personal growth and resilience strategies.Often cited around embracing adversity

The speaker discusses Nassim Taleb's book 'Anti-Fragile' and its insights, despite finding him annoying on Twitter.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals seeking personal growth and resilience strategies.
Key quote: Nassim Taleb does a good job with this, with his book. Anti-Fragile.
The host mentions 'Anti-Fragile' by Nassim Taleb to emphasize the importance of facing adversity to improve oneself. They connect this idea to their personal experiences with cold exposure and morning routines, highlighting how discomfort can lead to greater resilience.
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Best for Individuals interested in geopolitics and military strategyOften cited around U.S. military support implications

The speaker references a book by Peter Zion that discusses an apocalyptic view of the world and the implications of the U.S. potentially withdrawing military support for allies.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Individuals interested in geopolitics and military strategy
Key quote: The speaker references a book by Peter Zion that discusses an apocalyptic view of the world and the implications of the U.S. potentially withdrawing military support for allies.
The host mentions 'The End of the World is Just the Beginning' to highlight the dire consequences of potential U.S. military withdrawal. This book provides an apocalyptic perspective that aligns with the current geopolitical climate.
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Woke Racism
John McWhorter
Best for Individuals interested in cultural criticism and societal trendsOften cited around wokeism as a religion

John McWhorter's book Woke Racism argues that wokeism is a religion, focusing on the obsession with race.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in cultural criticism and societal trends
Key quote: He argues that like the obsession with race is a religion.
The host mentions 'Woke Racism' by John McWhorter to illustrate the argument that wokeism functions similarly to a religion, particularly in its obsession with race. This perspective aligns with the broader discussion on societal norms and the psychological comfort people seek in belief systems.
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Best for Individuals interested in media criticism and scientific integrityOften cited around censorship and media influence

The speaker mentions returning to Christianity while working on the book 'Apocalypse Never' and reflects on the themes of love and forgiveness.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in media criticism and scientific integrity
Key quote: I think the response from people was well, I want to go read that book.
The host mentions 'Apocalypse Never' to highlight how censorship can lead to increased interest in alternative viewpoints and literature. The discussion revolves around the implications of media narratives and the importance of questioning scientific studies.
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Best for Individuals interested in media integrity and government influenceOften cited around disinformation campaigns

They create something called the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency within the Department of Homeland Security to supposedly protect the media environment from foreign influence.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Individuals interested in media integrity and government influence
Key quote: They create something called the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency within the Department of Homeland Security to supposedly protect the media environment from foreign influence.
The host discusses the evolution of disinformation campaigns by the US government, particularly how they have turned against American citizens. The mention of 'The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency' highlights the government's efforts to control the media environment under the guise of protecting it from foreign influence.
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Best for Individuals seeking to reassess their life prioritiesOften cited around acknowledging mistakes

The speaker mentions sending 'Life in Weeks' to censors to provoke thought about their actions and the impact of censorship.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals seeking to reassess their life priorities
Key quote: My friend Peter Attia, he introduced me to this thing called your life in weeks.
The host mentions 'Life in Weeks' to illustrate the importance of recognizing the finite nature of life and how it can influence personal priorities. By visualizing life in weeks, it encourages individuals to focus on what truly matters rather than getting caught up in trivial pursuits.
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Best for Journalists and media professionalsOften cited around media influence and censorship

The thing that really freaked me out was this thing that Aspen Institute, a call, it's called a tabletop exercise, and it was actually a Zoom call, to role play how to deal with a Russian hack and leak around Hunter Biden.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Journalists and media professionals
Key quote: Why in the hell is Aspen Institute holding a tabletop exercise to pre-bunk?
The host mentions the Aspen Institute to highlight its role in organizing a tabletop exercise that aimed to preemptively manage the narrative around potential Russian disinformation related to Hunter Biden's laptop. This raises concerns about the implications of government-funded organizations influencing media coverage and journalistic integrity.
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Best for Journalists and media professionalsOften cited around censorship and journalism

The Pentagon Papers is this famous episode, it was Steven Spielberg made a whole movie about it, where the Washington Post and New York Times published these internal Pentagon documents showing that the US government was losing the war in Vietnam.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Journalists and media professionals
Key quote: Stanford University, a few months earlier, had put out a report saying reporters should no longer follow the Pentagon Papers principle.
The host mentions 'The Pentagon Papers' to highlight the contrast between historical journalistic integrity and current practices regarding leaked information. They express concern over institutions advocating for censorship and the implications for First Amendment rights.
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Irreversible Damage
Abigail Schreier
Best for Individuals interested in gender studies and social issuesOften cited around transgenderism as social contagion

The excerpt references Abigail Schreier's book on transgenderism as a social contagion, discussing its implications and the reactions it has garnered.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Individuals interested in gender studies and social issues
Key quote: The excerpt references Abigail Schreier's book on transgenderism as a social contagion, discussing its implications and the reactions it has garnered.
The host mentions 'Irreversible Damage' to highlight the controversial perspective on transgenderism presented by Abigail Schreier. This book has sparked significant debate regarding its implications on society and individual identity.
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The Madness of Crowds
Douglas Murray
Best for Readers interested in societal critiques and cultural commentary.Often cited around obsession with gender

Douglas Murray's work discusses the obsession with gender as a symptom of civilizations in decline.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Readers interested in societal critiques and cultural commentary.
Key quote: Douglas Murray's work discusses the obsession with gender as a symptom of civilizations in decline.
The host mentions Douglas Murray's book to highlight how the fixation on gender issues reflects broader societal problems. This perspective suggests that such obsessions may indicate a decline in civilization.
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Best for Individuals interested in media integrity and government influenceOften cited around foreign influence on media

They create something called the Foreign Influence Task Force with the FBI to basically start policing domestic speech on these platforms.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Individuals interested in media integrity and government influence
Key quote: They create something called the Foreign Influence Task Force with the FBI to basically start policing domestic speech on these platforms.
The host discusses the establishment of the Foreign Influence Task Force and its implications for policing domestic speech on social media platforms. This book is mentioned as part of a broader critique of how government agencies have manipulated narratives and controlled information in the wake of political events.
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Steve Jobs
Walter Isaacson
Best for Readers interested in leadership in technologyOften cited around Steve Jobs' leadership style

Walter Isaacson in his biography of Steve Jobs, he was like, look, Steve Jobs was just too much of an asshole.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Readers interested in leadership in technology
Key quote: Walter Isaacson in his biography of Steve Jobs, he was like, look, Steve Jobs was just too much of an asshole.
The host discusses Steve Jobs' personality traits as described in Walter Isaacson's biography, particularly his impulsivity and harshness. This analysis serves to draw parallels between Jobs and Elon Musk, highlighting how such traits can lead to success in the tech industry.
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Best for Political analysts and those interested in U.S. foreign policyOften cited around U.S. military security

John Podesta, who's the chair of her campaign. He runs the most powerful progressive, frankly, propaganda organization in the world.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Political analysts and those interested in U.S. foreign policy
Key quote: John Podesta, who's the chair of her campaign, he runs the most powerful progressive, frankly, propaganda organization in the world.
The host critiques the arguments presented in 'The Center for American Progress,' suggesting that it reflects a flawed understanding of U.S. foreign policy and its implications. They highlight the motivations behind the organization's actions in the context of the Trump presidency and the perceived threats to the liberal global order.
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Best for Individuals interested in the intersection of technology, politics, and civil liberties.Often cited around social media control

You have the Electronic Freedom Foundation, I'm sorry, Electronic Frontier Foundation. You have a libertarian ethos.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Individuals interested in the intersection of technology, politics, and civil liberties.
Key quote: You have the Electronic Freedom Foundation, I'm sorry, Electronic Frontier Foundation.
The host mentions the Electronic Frontier Foundation to highlight the libertarian ethos that influences Silicon Valley and its approach to social media. This context is important as it reflects the tension between government control and the freedom of internet platforms.
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Dopamine Nation
Dr. Anna Lemke
Best for Individuals interested in improving their mental health and understanding online interactions.Often cited around online discourse and empathy

The speaker references a colleague of Andrew Huberman who wrote 'Dopamine Nation', although they struggle to remember the author's name.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in improving their mental health and understanding online interactions.
Key quote: But basically ... Huberman ... So first of all, I now do my morning run before I drink my coffee.
The host mentions 'Dopamine Nation' in the context of discussing the challenges of online communication and the importance of understanding others. The reference highlights the need for personal connection and the difficulties of engaging with differing viewpoints in a digital space.
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Best for Parents and medical professionalsOften cited around misdiagnosis of gender dysphoria

A new book mentioned in relation to the Tavistock Gender Clinic and the changing views on gender issues in Europe.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Parents and medical professionals
Key quote: But basically, it looks as though a lot of autistic kids or kids on autism spectrum who are just uncomfortable in their bodies are more prone to be thinking in black and white are basically being misdiagnosed with gender dysphoria.
The host mentions 'A Time to Think' to highlight concerns about the misdiagnosis of gender dysphoria, particularly among autistic children. This book is referenced as part of a broader critique of how medical professionals may be contributing to social contagion in gender identity issues.
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Best for Individuals interested in media bias and political censorshipOften cited around Twitter files and censorship

I was a victim of the Hunter Biden laptop disinformation. I thought that, I voted for Biden. I thought that it was a, I thought that that laptop was Russian disinformation.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in media bias and political censorship
Key quote: the New York Post story that they censored also had not violated their terms of service.
The host mentioned the book in the context of discussing the censorship surrounding the Hunter Biden laptop story. It highlights the perceived inconsistencies in Twitter's content moderation policies during significant political events.
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Best for Individuals interested in media influence and government accountabilityOften cited around US government disinformation campaigns

Then you get, the big event is Brexit, 2016, Trump's election in 2016, and the establishment just freaks out.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Individuals interested in media influence and government accountability
Key quote: Then you get, the big event is Brexit, 2016, Trump's election in 2016, and the establishment just freaks out.
The host discusses the implications of the US government's actions following significant political events like Brexit and Trump's election. They highlight how these events led to increased control over social media and the media environment, framing it as a sinister shift in government behavior.
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Best for Journalists and media analystsOften cited around Twitter files investigation

The New York Post story that they censored also had not violated their terms of service.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Journalists and media analysts
Key quote: The New York Post story that they censored also had not violated their terms of service.
The host mentioned 'The New York Post' in the context of discussing the censorship of their story regarding the Hunter Biden laptop. This highlights the broader theme of how social media platforms, influenced by external pressures, altered their content moderation policies.
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Dune
Frank Herbert
Best for Readers interested in AI ethics and societal implicationsOften cited around AI and societal control

The mention of Dune refers to its solution of banning AI and using mentats for calculations instead.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in AI ethics and societal implications
Key quote: Remember the solution from Dune? They just banned it.
The host mentions 'Dune' to illustrate a historical solution to the problem of artificial intelligence, referencing how the book's characters banned AI to avoid its dangers. This serves as a cautionary tale in the context of current discussions about AI's potential impact on society.
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Best for Individuals interested in public health discussions and vaccine debates.Often cited around natural immunity and vaccines

The mention of Robert Kennedy Jr. is in the context of discussing the impact of his writing on public perception regarding vaccines.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in public health discussions and vaccine debates.
Key quote: If it wasn't for people like Robert Kennedy Jr. writing that book, if it wasn't for people like, how do you say his name? Bhattacharya.
The host mentions Robert Kennedy Jr. in the context of discussing the suppression of alternative COVID treatments and the prevailing narrative around vaccines. This reference highlights the importance of diverse perspectives in the ongoing public health debate.
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It's a terrifying book.
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He argues that really all of this is just the elites freaking out about the rise of the Internet and that the response is very similar to the respons…
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The Real Anthony Fauci
Robert Kennedy Jr.

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The Revolt of the Public
Martin Gurri

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The War on Terror

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What is a Woman?

Confidence: 90%

The mention of the movie 'What is a Woman?' highlights the ongoing debate about gender identity and societal perceptions of women.

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The Phenomenon

Confidence: 90%

The speaker expresses admiration for 'The Phenomenon', describing it as humbling and significant in understanding UFOs.

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Breakfast Club

Confidence: 90%

The discussion revolves around the cultural impact of the 'Breakfast Club' and its relevance to Gen X spirit.

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Atomic Hope

Confidence: 90%

My friend Frankie Fenton has a movie coming out called Atomic Hope.

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James Fox

Confidence: 80%

The speaker references a documentary by James Fox that discusses UFO sightings in Washington, D.C. during 1952.

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Oliver Stone's documentary about nuclear power

Confidence: 80%

He has a documentary about nuclear power.