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#274 Jim Clark (Silicon Graphics, Netscape)

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#274 Jim Clark (Silicon Graphics, Netscape) mentions The New New Thing by Michael Lewis, The Price System by Thorstein Veblen, In the Company of Giants, and Almanac of Naval Ravikant with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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The New New Thing
Michael Lewis

For now, I'll just say that the quirks in the man's character sent the most fantastic ripples through the world around him.

The Price System
Thorstein Veblen

He argued that since the economy was premised on technology and the engineers are the only ones who actually understood how the technology worked.

A small team of A plus players can run circles around a giant team of B and C players.

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What I learned from rereading The New New Thing: A Silicon Valley Story by Michael Lewis ---- Founders Notes gives you the superpower to learn from history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. You can search all my notes and highlights from every book I've ever read for the podcast. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- [1:23] Maybe somewhere in a footnote, it would be mentioned that he came from nothing, grew up poor, dropped out of high school, and made himself three or four billion dollars. [7:41] She explained that the shares in Netscape that Clark had given them had made them rich. "And you have to understand," she said, “that when this happened, we were poor. I was ready to cook the cat." I assumed this was a joke, and laughed. I assumed wrong. [12:48] He was expelled from school and left town. One time he came home talking about nothing but computers. No one in Plainview had even seen a computer except in the movies. [13:21] I remember him telling me when he came back from the Navy, ‘Mama, I’m going to show Plainview.’ [14:42] In under eight years this person, considered unfit to graduate from high school, had earned himself a Ph.D. in Computer Science. [15:05] I grew up in black and white. I thought the whole world was shit, and I was sitting in the middle of it. [17:17] If you want to understand the entrepreneur, study the juvenile delinquent. The delinquent is saying with his actions, “This sucks. I’m going to do my own thing. — Yvon Chouinard [17:56] The most powerful paragraph in the book: One day I was sitting at home and, I remember having the thought ‘You can did this hole as deep as you want to dig it.’ I remember thinking ‘My God, I’m going to spend the rest of my life in this fucking hole.’ You can reach these points in life when you say, ‘Fuck, I’ve reached some sort of dead-end here. And you descend into chaos. All those years you thought you were achieving something. And you achieved nothing. I was thirty-eight years old. I’d just been fired. My second wife had just left me. I had somehow fucked up. I developed this maniacal passion for wanting to achieve something. [19:00] Two part series on Vannevar Bush Pieces of the Action by Vannevar Bush. (Founders #270) and Endless Frontier: Vannevar Bush, Engineer of the American Century by G. Pascal Zachary. (Founders #271) [21:38] New Growth Theory argued that wealth came from the human imagination. Wealth wasn’t chiefly having more of old things; it was having entirely new things. [22:54] On creating new wealth/companies: A certain tolerance for nonconformism is really critical to the process. [24:31] The internet has massively broadened the possible space of careers, and most people haven't figured this out yet. —The Almanack of Naval Ravikant: A Guide to Wealth and Happiness by Naval Ravikant and Eric Jorgenson. (Founders #191) [25:06] A master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction between his work and his play; his labor and his leisure; his mind and his body; his education and his recreation. He hardly knows which is which. He simply pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he is doing, and leaves others to determine whether he is working or playing. To himself, he always appears to be doing both. [27:36] George Lucas: A Life by Brian Jay Jones. (Founders #35) and Steven Spielberg: A Biography by Joseph McBride. (Founders #209) [33:10] The independence and the control is worth a lot more than the money. [33:32] These people could never build the machines of the future, but they could sell the machines of the present. [35:02] Clark on how to avoid being disrupted: For a technology company to succeed, he argued, it needed always to be looking to destroy itself. If it didn’t, someone else would. “It’s the hardest thing in business to do,” he would say. “Even creating a lower-cost product runs against the grain, because the low-cost products undercut the high-cost, more profitable products.” Everyone in a successful company, from the CEO on down, has a stake in whatever the company is currently selling. It does not naturally occur to anyone to find a way to undermine that product. [40:41] The young were forever eating the old. In this drama technology played a very clear role. It was the murder weapon. [40:55] The art of storytelling is critically important. Most of the entrepreneurs who come to us can't tell a story. Learning to tell a story is incredibly important because that's how the money works. The money flows as a function of the stories. —Don Valentine [42:53] The Pmarca Blog Archive Ebook by Marc Andreessen (Founders #50) [45:48] What is the role I want to play in my company? I need to make sure to design my environment so I am always playing that role. Make sure you design the job you want. What is the point of being an entreprenuer if you don’t do that? [47:45] John Doerr had cleared $500 million in 18 months. 30 times his original investment. [49:13] You must find extraordinary people. I noticed that the dynamic range between what an average person could accomplish and what the best person could accomplish was 50 or 100 to 1. Given that, you're well advised to go after the cream of the cream. That's what we've done. A small team of A+ players can run circles around a giant team of B and C players. — In the Company of Giants: Candid Conversations With the Visionaries of the Digital World by Rama Dev Jager and Rafael Ortiz. (Founders #208) [52:03] Clark liked to say that human beings when they took risks, fell into one of two types, pigs or chickens. “The difference between these two kinds of people is the difference between the pig and the chicken in the ham-and-eggs breakfast. The chicken is interested, the pig is committed. If you are going to do anything worth doing, you need a lot of pigs.” [53:14] In our 10 days at sea the value of his holdings had nearly tripled. This is fantasy land he said. [53:54] There are vastly more conceivable possibilities than realized outcomes. ---- Founders Notes gives you the superpower to learn from history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. You can search all my notes and highlights from every book I've ever read for the podcast. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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The New New Thing
Michael Lewis

The host revisits 'The New New Thing' to explore Jim Clark's unique character and his significant contributions to te…

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The Price System
Thorstein Veblen

The host discusses the ideas of Jim Clark and Vannevar Bush, emphasizing their belief in the power of engineers withi…

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In the Company of Giants

The host mentions 'In the Company of Giants' to highlight the extraordinary achievements of technology founders and t…

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Almanac of Naval Ravikant

The host references the 'Almanac of Naval Ravikant' to emphasize how the internet has expanded career possibilities,…

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The New New Thing
Michael Lewis
Best for Readers interested in technology and entrepreneurshipOften cited around Jim Clark's impact

The excerpt discusses the book 'The New New Thing', which is about Jim Clark and his impact on Silicon Valley. The speaker revisits the book to explore Clark's unusual character and achievements.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in technology and entrepreneurship
Key quote: For now, I'll just say that the quirks in the man's character sent the most fantastic ripples through the world around him.
The host revisits 'The New New Thing' to explore Jim Clark's unique character and his significant contributions to technology. The book is highlighted for its engaging narrative and insights into Clark's life, making it a valuable read for understanding his influence.
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The Price System
Thorstein Veblen
Best for Individuals interested in economic theory and the role of technology in capitalismOften cited around engineers and capitalism

The book discusses a theory from 1929 by Veblen, predicting that engineers would one day rule the US economy due to their understanding of technology.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in economic theory and the role of technology in capitalism
Key quote: He argued that since the economy was premised on technology and the engineers are the only ones who actually understood how the technology worked.
The host discusses the ideas of Jim Clark and Vannevar Bush, emphasizing their belief in the power of engineers within the capitalist system. This leads to a mention of Veblen's 'The Price System', which predicted that engineers would eventually seize economic power from financiers due to their technological expertise.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around startup company dynamics

The book is published in 1997 and features interviews with 16 technology company founders, including Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: A small team of A plus players can run circles around a giant team of B and C players.
The host mentions 'In the Company of Giants' to highlight the extraordinary achievements of technology founders and the significant differences in talent within the industry. The book provides insights into the dynamics of startup success and the importance of assembling a team of top performers.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and tech enthusiastsOften cited around Silicon Valley history

The excerpt references a line from this book about how the internet has broadened the possible space of careers.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and tech enthusiasts
Key quote: the internet has massively broadened the possible space of careers, and most people haven't figured this out yet.
The host references the 'Almanac of Naval Ravikant' to emphasize how the internet has expanded career possibilities, a concept that resonates with the evolution of Silicon Valley. This book illustrates the shift from traditional engineering roles to innovative software development, highlighting the importance of adaptability in the tech industry.
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The New New Thing
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For now, I'll just say that the quirks in the man's character sent the most fantastic ripples through the world around him.
The Price System
Founders · 16:11
He argued that since the economy was premised on technology and the engineers are the only ones who actually understood how the technology worked.
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A small team of A plus players can run circles around a giant team of B and C players.
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The New New Thing
Michael Lewis

The host revisits 'The New New Thing' to explore Jim Clark's unique character and his significant contributions to technology. The book is highligh…

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The Price System
Thorstein Veblen

The host discusses the ideas of Jim Clark and Vannevar Bush, emphasizing their belief in the power of engineers within the capitalist system. This…

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In the Company of Giants

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