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#340 Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant

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#340 Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant mentions Relentless, From Good to Great to Unstoppable by Tim Grover, Creative Selection by Ken Kosienda, The Almanac of Naval Ravikant by Eric Jorgensen, and Winning, The Unforgiving Race to Greatness by Tim Grover with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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The whole point of this book is that in order to be successful, to truly have what you want in your life, you must stop waiting to be told what to do…

Creative Selection
Ken Kosienda

There's a great line in this book that is just talking about Michael and Kobe's approach, but I think it's really Steve Jobs approach.

Naval says in that book, being at the extreme of your craft is very important in the age of infinite leverage.

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What I learned from reading Relentless: From Good to Great to Unstoppable by Tim Grover and Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness by Tim Grover. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes ---- Follow Founders Podcast on YouTube ----(3:00) What I am giving you is insight into the mentality of those who have found unparalleled success by trusting their own instincts. (3:00) Mozart: A Life by Paul Johnson. (Founders #240) (6:00) Michael was the best because he was relentless about winning. No matter how many times he won he always wanted more and he was always willing to do whatever it took to get it. (6:00) Michael never cared about achieving mere greatness. He cared about being the best ever. (7:00) These are the most driven individuals you'll ever know, with an unmatched genius for what they do: they don't just perform a job, they reinvent it. (8:00) Alex Rodriguez interviews Kobe Bryant (11:00) The most important thing, the one thing that defines and separates him from any other competitor: He's addicted to the exquisite rush of success and he'll alter his entire life to get it. (11:00) The mind will play tricks on you. The mind was telling you that you couldn't go any further. The mind was telling you how much it hurt. The mind was telling you these things to keep you from reaching your goal. But you have to see past that, turn it all off if you are going to get where you want to be. — —Driven From Within by Michael Jordan and Mark Vancil. (Founders #213) (12:30) If one thing separated Michael from every other player, it was his stunning ability to block out everything and everyone else. He was able to shut out everything except his mission. (14:00) At some point you made something simple into something complicated. (16:00) Being at the extreme in your craft is very important in the age of leverage. The best person in the world at anything gets to do it for everyone. (20:00) A 600 page biography of Kobe Bryant: The Life of Kobe Bryant by Roland Lazenby. (Founders #272) (21:00) This could be an ad for FOUNDERS NOTES The greats never stop learning. All the hours of work have created an unstoppable internal resource you can draw on in any situation. (22:00) Mostly he tested himself. It seemed that he discovered the secret quite early in his competitive life: the more pressure he heaped on himself the greater his ability to rise to the occasion. — Michael Jordan: The Life by Roland Lazenby. (Founders #212) (23:00) Kobe and Ahmad Rashad interview (23:00) Be indifferent to the opinions of other people. Michael does not care what you think. Kobe does not care what you think. There is no one that can hold them to a higher standard than themselves. (34:00) How Kobe Bryant knew he was going to win a lot of championships: It was easy to size other players up in the NBA. I found that a lot of guys played for financial stability. Once they got that financial stability the passion, the work ethic, and the obsessiveness was gone. Once I saw that I thought, “This is going to be like taking candy from a baby. No wonder Michael Jordan wins all these fucking championships.” (35:00) Michael Jordan worked on consistency, relentlessly. (49:00) A good competitor always evaluates his oppenent. And you understand him for what he really is. You never try to give him confidence you try to take it at all times. — Michael Jordan video (53:00) Everyone wanted to be like Mike. Mike did not want to be like anyone else. (1:07:00) Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs by Ken Kocienda. (Founders #281) (1:07:00) Stop adding. Start deleting. Winning demands total focus. (1:11:00) It started with hope. It started with hope. We went from a shitty team to one of the all time greatest dynasties. All you needed was one little match to start that whole fire. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Relentless, From Good to Great to Unstoppable
Tim Grover

The host discusses Tim Grover's book 'Relentless' to highlight the mentality of athletes like Michael Jordan and Kobe…

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Creative Selection
Ken Kosienda

The host mentions 'Creative Selection' to highlight the parallels between the relentless pursuit of excellence by fig…

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The Almanac of Naval Ravikant
Eric Jorgensen

The host mentions 'The Almanac of Naval Ravikant' to emphasize the importance of focusing on mastering one skill in t…

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Winning, The Unforgiving Race to Greatness
Tim Grover

The host discusses Tim Grover's insights on the mentality of elite athletes like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. This…

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Steve Jobs
Walter Isaacson

The host mentions Walter Isaacson's biography of Steve Jobs to highlight the importance of intuition in decision-maki…

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Driven From Within
Michael Jordan and Mark Vansel

The host discusses the importance of mental strength in achieving success, referencing Michael Jordan's insights from…

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The Score Takes Care of Itself
Bill Walsh

The host mentions 'The Score Takes Care of Itself' to highlight the importance of prioritizing work quality over pers…

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The Last Dance

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  • Referenced books include Relentless, From Good to Great to Unstoppable by Tim Grover and Creative Selection by Ken Kosienda.
  • The strongest audience signal points to Individuals seeking motivation and insight into achieving success and Individuals interested in personal development and excellence in their fields..

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Deep Dive(8)Highly Recommended(4)Passing Reference(2)
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Individuals seeking motivation and insight into achieving successIndividuals interested in personal development and excellence in their fields.Athletes and professionals seeking to excel in their fieldFans of sports psychology and personal developmentIndividuals interested in personal development and high-performance athletes.Athletes and individuals seeking personal development

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Relentless, From Good to Great to Unstoppable cover
Best for Individuals seeking motivation and insight into achieving successOften cited around Michael Jordan's comeback

The first book is called Relentless, From Good to Great to Unstoppable. This is the updated version of the book, and it talks about the mentality of those who have found unparalleled success.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals seeking motivation and insight into achieving success
Key quote: The whole point of this book is that in order to be successful, to truly have what you want in your life, you must stop waiting to be told what to do and how to do it.
The host discusses Tim Grover's book 'Relentless' to highlight the mentality of athletes like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. The book emphasizes the importance of trusting one's instincts for success rather than following a prescribed path.
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Creative Selection
Ken Kosienda
Best for Individuals interested in personal development and excellence in their fields.Often cited around relentless dedication to focus

The speaker discusses how 'Creative Selection' taught insights into Michael, Kobe, and Steve Jobs' approaches to mastery and simplicity.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in personal development and excellence in their fields.
Key quote: There's a great line in this book that is just talking about Michael and Kobe's approach, but I think it's really Steve Jobs approach.
The host mentions 'Creative Selection' to highlight the parallels between the relentless pursuit of excellence by figures like Michael Jordan and Steve Jobs. The book provides insights into Jobs' approach to product development and emphasizes the importance of simplicity and focus in achieving success.
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The Almanac of Naval Ravikant cover
Best for Athletes and professionals seeking to excel in their fieldOften cited around mastering fundamentals in sports

It's actually written. It's a book written by my friend Eric Jorgensen. It's called The Almanac of Naval Ravikant.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Athletes and professionals seeking to excel in their field
Key quote: Naval says in that book, being at the extreme of your craft is very important in the age of infinite leverage.
The host mentions 'The Almanac of Naval Ravikant' to emphasize the importance of focusing on mastering one skill in the age of infinite leverage. He believes that being excellent at one thing is crucial for success, a concept reinforced by Naval's insights in the book.
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Winning, The Unforgiving Race to Greatness cover
Best for Fans of sports psychology and personal developmentOften cited around Michael Jordan's comeback

The second one is called Winning, The Unforgiving Race to Greatness. Both were written by Tim Grover, who was Michael Jordan's trainer for 15 years.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Fans of sports psychology and personal development
Key quote: Michael Jordan is done when he says he's done, not when you say he's done.
The host discusses Tim Grover's insights on the mentality of elite athletes like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. This mention serves to highlight the relentless pursuit of greatness that Grover emphasizes in his book 'Winning, The Unforgiving Race to Greatness.'
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Steve Jobs
Walter Isaacson
Best for Individuals interested in personal development and high-performance athletes.Often cited around learning from greats

Steve jobs talked about this too, in his biography written by Walter Isaacson, he says intuition is a very powerful thing more powerful than intellect.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in personal development and high-performance athletes.
Key quote: Steve jobs talked about this too, in his biography written by Walter Isaacson, he says intuition is a very powerful thing more powerful than intellect.
The host mentions Walter Isaacson's biography of Steve Jobs to highlight the importance of intuition in decision-making. This connects to the broader theme of continuous learning and self-improvement exemplified by both Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan.
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Driven From Within
Michael Jordan and Mark Vansel
Best for Athletes and individuals seeking personal developmentOften cited around mental dominance in sports

Tim mentions 'Driven From Within' as the closest thing to an autobiography of Michael Jordan, discussing loyalty and winning.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Athletes and individuals seeking personal development
Key quote: Mental dominance is what ultimately makes you unstoppable.
The host discusses the importance of mental strength in achieving success, referencing Michael Jordan's insights from his book 'Driven From Within.' This book emphasizes how controlling one's mind is crucial for overcoming challenges and reaching goals.
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The Score Takes Care of Itself cover
Best for leaders and aspiring championsOften cited around dedication to excellence

Tim references Bill Walsh's book 'The Score Takes Care of Itself' while discussing champions' behaviors.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: leaders and aspiring champions
Key quote: champions behave like champions before they're champions.
The host mentions 'The Score Takes Care of Itself' to highlight the importance of prioritizing work quality over personal feelings, as exemplified by Steve Jobs. The quote from Bill Walsh reinforces the idea that champions exhibit their winning mentality before achieving success.
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The Last Dance cover
Best for Fans of sports documentaries and those interested in personal development.Often cited around relentless pursuit of excellence

The excerpt references how Michael ended the last episode of The Last Dance, discussing his entire journey.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Fans of sports documentaries and those interested in personal development.
Key quote: We were shit when I got here. And we elevated to being a championship quality team.
The host mentions 'The Last Dance' to highlight Michael Jordan's relentless drive and high standards for his teammates. This documentary serves as a backdrop to discuss the themes of competitiveness and excellence that are also explored in Tim Grover's book 'Relentless'.
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Best for Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and personal developmentOften cited around learning from greats

The speaker mentions reading Founders Notes as a deeper version of the podcast, emphasizing its value.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and personal development
Key quote: I consider Founders Podcast like the free trial to Founders Notes.
The host emphasizes the value of reading 'Founders Notes' as a deeper resource for understanding the journeys of history's greatest founders. He compares it to watching game tape for athletes, suggesting that it provides insights not covered in the podcast.
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Mamba Mentality
Kobe Bryant
Best for Aspiring athletes and professionals seeking motivationOften cited around commitment to excellence

The speaker references a quote from 'Mamba Mentality' by Kobe Bryant, discussing his competitive nature and work ethic.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Aspiring athletes and professionals seeking motivation
Key quote: Kobe had an insatiable desire to work.
The host mentions 'Mamba Mentality' to highlight Kobe Bryant's relentless work ethic and commitment to excellence. This serves as a powerful example of how high achievers prioritize their craft over distractions.
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Relentless cover
Best for Individuals seeking personal development and motivationOften cited around Michael Jordan's comeback

Tim refers to the book 'Relentless' while discussing the struggles and sacrifices of elite athletes.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals seeking personal development and motivation
Key quote: The whole point of this book is that in order to be successful, to truly have what you want in your life, you must stop waiting to be told what to do and how to do it.
The host discusses Tim Grover's book 'Relentless' in the context of Michael Jordan's return to basketball after his first retirement. The book emphasizes the importance of trusting one's instincts and not waiting for guidance to achieve success.
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Kobe cover
Best for Individuals seeking personal development and insights into successOften cited around Tim Grover's books

A 600-page biography of Kobe is referenced, discussing his practices and learning methods.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals seeking personal development and insights into success
Key quote: The whole point of this book is that in order to be successful, to truly have what you want in your life, you must stop waiting to be told what to do and how to do it.
The host mentions Tim Grover's books to highlight the mentality of success exemplified by Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. He emphasizes that the books provide insights rather than a step-by-step guide, focusing on the relentless nature of these athletes.
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Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness cover
Best for listeners interested in personal development and successOften cited around sharing stories from books

The speaker mentions 'Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness' as another book they want to share stories from.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: listeners interested in personal development and success
Key quote: 'Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness' as another book they want to share stories from.
The host briefly mentions 'Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness' as part of a larger discussion on influential books. This mention suggests that the book contains valuable insights worth exploring further.
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Winning cover
Best for Fans of basketball and sports psychologyOften cited around Michael Jordan's comeback

Tim discusses the book 'Winning' and how it includes stories about Kobe and Michael Jordan, focusing on elite competition.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Fans of basketball and sports psychology
Key quote: Michael Jordan is done when he says he's done, not when you say he's done.
The host mentions the book 'Winning' in the context of discussing Michael Jordan's resilience and determination during his comeback to basketball. It serves as a segue into discussing the insights from Tim Grover, who trained both Jordan and Kobe Bryant.
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The whole point of this book is that in order to be successful, to truly have what you want in your life, you must stop waiting to be told what to do…
Creative Selection
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There's a great line in this book that is just talking about Michael and Kobe's approach, but I think it's really Steve Jobs approach.
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Naval says in that book, being at the extreme of your craft is very important in the age of infinite leverage.
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Relentless, From Good to Great to Unstoppable cover
Mentioned at 1:50
Relentless, From Good to Great to Unstoppable
Tim Grover

The host discusses Tim Grover's book 'Relentless' to highlight the mentality of athletes like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant. The book emphasizes t…

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Creative Selection cover
Mentioned at 1:07:17
Creative Selection
Ken Kosienda

The host mentions 'Creative Selection' to highlight the parallels between the relentless pursuit of excellence by figures like Michael Jordan and S…

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The Almanac of Naval Ravikant cover
Mentioned at 16:07
The Almanac of Naval Ravikant
Eric Jorgensen

The host mentions 'The Almanac of Naval Ravikant' to emphasize the importance of focusing on mastering one skill in the age of infinite leverage. H…

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The Last Dance

Confidence: 100%

The speaker mentions rewatching 'The Last Dance' documentary multiple times, reflecting on Michael Jordan's approach to his teammates and the standards he set.