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Steve Jobs and Edwin Land

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Steve Jobs and Edwin Land mentions Instant: The Story of Polaroid by Christopher Bananos, Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson, Becoming Steve Jobs by Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli, and Made in Japan by Akio Morita with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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If Steve Jobs studied Edwin Land, I think every other founder should as well.

Steve Jobs
Walter Isaacson

In fact, when Steve Jobs was recounting some of the mistakes that he made in his own career, he mentioned losing the discipline of cost control.

Becoming Steve Jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli

It's fascinating that Land is doing this at six years old because Jobs was doing the exact same thing at that age.

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What I learned from rereading Instant: The Story of Polaroid by Christopher Bonanos. ---- Ramp gives you everything you need to control spend, watch your costs, and optimize your financial operations —all on a single platform. Make history's greatest entrepreneurs proud by going to Ramp and learning how they can help your business control your costs and save more. ---- Founders Notes gives you the superpower to learn from history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. You can search all my notes and highlights from every book I've ever read for the podcast. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- Join my free email newsletter to get my top 10 highlights from every book ---- Episode Outline: — The most obvious parallel is to Apple Computer. Both companies specialized in relentless, obsessive refinement of their technologies. Both were established close to great research universities to attract talent. Both fetishized superior, elegant, covetable product design. And both companies exploded in size and wealth under an in-house visionary-godhead-inventor-genius. At Apple, that man was Steve Jobs. At Polaroid, the genius was Edwin Land. Just as Apple stories almost all lead back to Jobs, Polaroid lore always seems to focus on Land. — Both men were college dropouts; both became as rich as anyone could ever wish to be; and both insisted that their inventions would change the fundamental nature of human interaction. — Jobs expressed his deep admiration for Edwin Land. He called him a national treasure. — Books on Edwin Land: Land's Polaroid: A Company and the Man Who Invented It by Peter C. Wensberg (Founders #263)A Triumph of Genius: Edwin Land, Polaroid, and the Kodak Patent War by Ronald Fierstein (Founders #134)Land's Polaroid: A Company and the Man Who Invented It by Peter C. Wensberg (Founders #133)The Instant Image: Edwin Land and the Polaroid Experience by Mark Olshaker (Founders #132)Insisting On The Impossible: The Life of Edwin Land and Instant: The Story of Polaroid(Founders #40) — Biography about Steve Jobs: Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader by Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli — Edwin Land of Polaroid talked about the intersection of the humanities and science. I like that intersection. There's something magical about that place. There are a lot of people innovating, and that's not the main distinction of my career. The reason Apple resonates with people is that there's a deep current of humanity in our innovation. I think great artists and great engineers are similar, in that they both have a desire to express themselves. In fact some of the best people working on the original Mac were poets and musicians on the side. In the seventies computers became a way for people to express their creativity. Great artists like Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo were also great at science. Michelangelo knew a lot about how to quarry stone, not just how to be a sculptor. — Steve Jobs: The Exclusive Biography by Walter Isaacson (Founders #214) — Book on Henry Ford: I Invented the Modern Age: The Rise of Henry Ford by Richard Snow (Founders #9) The Autobiography of Henry Ford by Henry Ford (Founders #26) Today and Tomorrow Henry Ford (Founders #80) My Forty Years With Ford by Charles Sorensen (Founders #118) The Story of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison's Ten Year Road Trip by Jeff Guinn (Founders #190) — Another parallel to Jobs: Land's control over his company was nearly absolute, and he exercised it to a degree that was compelling and sometimes exhausting. — When you read a biography of Edwin land you see an incredibly smart, gifted, driven, focused person endure decade after decade of struggle. And more importantly —finally work his way through. — Another parallel to Jobs: You may be noticing that none of this has anything to do with instant photography. Polarizers rather than pictures would define the first two decades of lands intellectual life and would establish his company. Instant photos were an idea that came later on, a secondary business around which his company was completely recreated. — “Missionaries make better products.” —Jeff Bezos — His letter to shareholders gradually became a particularly dramatic showcase for his language and his thinking. These letters-really more like personal mission statements-are thoughtful and compact, and just eccentric enough to be completely engaging. Instead of discussing earnings and growth they laid out Land's World inviting everyone to join. — Land gave him a four-word job description: "Keeper of the language.” — No argument in the world can ever compare with one dramatic demonstration. — My Life in Advertising by Claude Hopkins (Founders #170) — The leap to Polaroid was like replacing a messenger on horseback with your first telephone. — Hire a paid critic: Norio Ohga, who had been a vocal arts student at the Tokyo University of Arts when he saw our first audio tape recorder back in 1950. I had had my eye on him for all those years because of his bold criticism of our first machine. He was a great champion of the tape recorder, but he was severe with us because he didn't think our early machine was good enough. It had too much wow and flutter, he said. He was right, of course; our first machine was rather primitive. We invited him to be a paid critic even while he was still in school. His ideas were very challenging. He said then, "A ballet dancer needs a mirror to perfect her style, her technique. — Made in Japan: Akio Morita and Sony by Akio Morita. — Another parallel to Jobs: Don't kid yourself. Polaroid is a one man company. — He argued there was no reason that well-designed, wellmade computers couldn't command the same market share and margins as a luxury automobile. A BMW might get you to where you are going in the same way as a Chevy that costs half the price, but there will always be those who will pay for the better ride in the sexier car. Rather than competing with commodity PC makers like Dell, Compaq and Gateway, why not make only first-class products with high margins so that Apple could continue to develop even better first-class products? The company could make much bigger profits from selling a $3,000 machine rather than a $500 machine, even if they sold fewer of them. Why not, then, just concentrate on making the best $3,000 machines around? — Jony Ive: The Genius Behind Apple's Greatest Products by Leander Kahney. — How To Turn Down A Billion Dollars: The Snapchat Story by Billy Gallagher — Books on Enzo Ferrari Go Like Hell: Ford, Ferrari, and Their Battle for Speed and Glory at Le Mans by A.J. Baime. (Founders #97) Enzo Ferrari: Power, Politics, and The Making of an Automotive Empire by Luca Dal Monte (Founders #98) Enzo Ferrari: The Man and The Machine by Brock Yates (Founders #220) — Soul in the game. Listen to how Edwin Land describes his product: We would not have known and have only just learned that a new kind of relationship between people in groups is brought into being by SX-70 when the members of a group are photographing and being photographed and sharing the photographs: it turns out that buried within us— there is latent interest in each other; there is tenderness, curiosity, excitement, affection, companionability and humor; it turns out, in this cold world where man grows distant from man, and even lovers can reach each other only briefly, that we have a yen for and a primordial competence for a quiet good-humored delight in each other: we have a prehistoric tribal competence for a non-physical, non-emotional, non-sexual satisfaction in being partners in the lonely exploration of a once empty planet. — “Over the very long term, history shows that the chances of any business surviving in a manner agreeable to a company’s owners are slim at best.” —Charlie Munger ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Christopher Bananos

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Walter Isaacson

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Becoming Steve Jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli

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Made in Japan
Akio Morita

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Best for Aspiring entrepreneurs and business foundersOften cited around Edwin Land and Steve Jobs

The book I hold in my hand does a really great job, maybe the best out of every book that I've read on Edwin Land so far, comparing and contrasting and really showing how much, in many ways, Edwin Land was Steve Jobs before Steve Jobs.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Aspiring entrepreneurs and business founders
Key quote: If Steve Jobs studied Edwin Land, I think every other founder should as well.
The host emphasizes the importance of Edwin Land's influence on Steve Jobs, suggesting that understanding Land's philosophy can benefit other founders. The book 'Instant: The Story of Polaroid' is highlighted as a comprehensive resource that effectively compares Land and Jobs, making it a must-read for aspiring entrepreneurs.
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Steve Jobs
Walter Isaacson
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around cost control in business

It made me think of one of my favorite paragraphs that came from the Steve Jobs biography written by Isaacson, where at the very end of his life, Steve is talking about the influences on his work that people like Edwin Land, Da Vinci, and Michelangelo had.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: In fact, when Steve Jobs was recounting some of the mistakes that he made in his own career, he mentioned losing the discipline of cost control.
The host mentions the book 'Steve Jobs' to highlight how Jobs recognized the importance of cost control in his own career, particularly during his time at Next. This serves as a cautionary tale for entrepreneurs about the risks of neglecting expenses during prosperous times.
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Becoming Steve Jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli
Best for Entrepreneurs and aspiring innovatorsOften cited around Steve Jobs and Edwin Land

In fact, all three of the books that I have read in the last 10 days, I actually reread. So in total, I've read five biographies of Edwin Land.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and aspiring innovators
Key quote: It's fascinating that Land is doing this at six years old because Jobs was doing the exact same thing at that age.
The host mentions 'Becoming Steve Jobs' to illustrate the parallels between Steve Jobs and Edwin Land, emphasizing how both innovators approached their work and upbringing. The book provides insights into Jobs' formative experiences, particularly the influence of his father's craftsmanship on his development as a visionary leader.
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Made in Japan
Akio Morita
Best for Entrepreneurs and product designersOften cited around entrepreneurship and product design

The speaker mentions reading from 'Made in Japan' and discusses the challenges of making a small radio that fits into a pocket.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and product designers
Key quote: What do you do when your pocket size radio doesn't fit into a pocket? You make the pocket bigger.
The host references 'Made in Japan' to illustrate the importance of product size in consumer electronics, specifically how it relates to user engagement and sales. The discussion highlights the innovative mindset of founders like Land and their focus on creating products that enhance user experience.
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Best for entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around business survival and failure

The speaker references a note left from reading 'The Tao of Charlie Munger' about the survival of businesses over the long term.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: Over the very long term, history shows that the chances of any business surviving in a manner agreeable to a company's owners are slim at best.
The host references 'The Tao of Charlie Munger' to emphasize the harsh reality that most businesses struggle to survive in a way that satisfies their owners. This perspective is illustrated through the story of Edwin Land and Polaroid's eventual decline, highlighting the inevitability of failure in entrepreneurship.
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Instant: The Story of Polaroid
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If Steve Jobs studied Edwin Land, I think every other founder should as well.
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In fact, when Steve Jobs was recounting some of the mistakes that he made in his own career, he mentioned losing the discipline of cost control.
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It's fascinating that Land is doing this at six years old because Jobs was doing the exact same thing at that age.
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Instant: The Story of Polaroid
Christopher Bananos

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Steve Jobs
Walter Isaacson

The host mentions the book 'Steve Jobs' to highlight how Jobs recognized the importance of cost control in his own career, particularly during his…

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Becoming Steve Jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli

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