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#317 Ed Catmull (Founder of Pixar)

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#317 Ed Catmull (Founder of Pixar) mentions Creativity, Inc. Overcoming the Unseen Forces that Stand in the Way of True Inspiration by Ed Catmull, Invent and Wander, The Collected Writings of Jeff Bezos, W. Edward Deming, and Becoming Steve Jobs with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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This book tells the founding story of Pixar, tells the story of Ed's life, but it also talks about what do you do after you get everything that you t…

The process is not the thing.

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What I learned from rereading Creativity, Inc.: Overcoming the Unseen Forces That Stand in the Way of True Inspiration by Ed Catmull. --- Join my free email newsletter to get my top 10 highlights from every book --- (7:00) Walt Disney created a made-up world, used cutting-edge technology to enable it, and then told us how he’d done it. (7:30) Einstein: His Life and Universe by Walter Isaacson. (Founders #187) (7:30) Both Einstein and Disney inspired me, but Disney affected me more because of his weekly visits to my family's living room. (7:45) Every time some technological breakthrough occurred, Walt Disney incorporated it. (9:30) His dad was the son of an Idaho dirt farmer. His dad was one of 14 kids. 5 of his dad's siblings died as infants. His dad was the first person in his family ever to go to college. He had to work while he was going to college and pay his own way. His dad built the family house with his own hands. (10:30) When you read biographies of people who've done great work, it's remarkable how much luck is involved. They discover what to work on as a result of a chance meeting, or by reading a book they happen to pick up. So you need to make yourself a big target for luck, and the way to do that is to be curious. Try lots of things, meet lots of people, read lots of books, ask lots of questions. — How To Do Great Work by Paul Graham. (Founders #314) (12:30) The New New Thing: A Silicon Valley Story by Michael Lewis (Founders #274) (14:00) George Lucas: A Life by Brian Jay Jones (Founders #35) (15:00) We [Ed Catmull and George Lucas] worked with a blinders on intensity. George had relentless practicality. He wasn't some hobbyist trying to bring technology into filmmaking for the heck of it. His interest in computers began and ended with their potential to add value to his filmmaking process. (19:00) George Lucas believed in the future and his ability to shape it. (20:30) The storyteller is the most powerful person in the world. — Steve Jobs (20:30) The art of storytelling is critically important. Most of the entrepreneurs who come talk to us can't tell a story. Learning to tell a story is incredibly important because that's how the money works. The money flows as a function of the stories — Don Valentine (22:30) Steve used the phrase insanely great products to explain what he believed in. (26:30) This guy told me that the way to establish his authority in the room was to arrive last. His thinking was this would establish him as the most powerful player in the room since he could afford to keep everyone else waiting. All it ended up establishing was that he had never met anyone like Steve jobs. (38:30) If you give a good idea to a mediocre team, they will screw it up. If you give a mediocre idea to a brilliant team, they will either fix it or throw it away and come up with something better. (42:00) Everything associated with our name needed to be good. Quality is the best business plan. (42:30) Steve understood that every interaction a customer had with Apple could increase or decrease his or her respect for the company. As he put it, a corporation "could accumulate or withdraw credits" from its reputation, which is why he worked so hard to ensure that every single interaction a customer might have with Apple-from using a Mac to calling customer support to buying a single from the iTunes store and then getting billed for it-was excellent. — Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader by Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli (Founders #265) (48:30) Invent and Wander: The Collected Writings of Jeff Bezos (Founders #282) (52:30) People discover and realize their visions over time and through dedicated, protracted struggle. (53:30) If you’re sailing across the ocean and your goal is to avoid weather and waves, then why the hell are you sailing? You have to embrace that sailing means that you can’t control the elements and that there will be good days and bad days and that, whatever comes, you will deal with it because your goal is to eventually get to the other side. You will not be able to control exactly how you get across. That’s the game you’ve decided to be in. If your goal is to make it easier and simpler, then don’t get in the boat. (59:00) It is difficult to understand people who deviate so radically from the norm like Steve did. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested, so my poor wallet suffers.” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Creativity, Inc. Overcoming the Unseen Forces that Stand in the Way of True Inspiration
Ed Catmull

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Invent and Wander, The Collected Writings of Jeff Bezos

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W. Edward Deming

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Becoming Steve Jobs

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Creativity, Inc. Overcoming the Unseen Forces that Stand in the Way of True Inspiration cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and leaders in creative industriesOften cited around creative culture and leadership

This book tells the founding story of Pixar, Ed's life, and what to do after achieving your goals. It explores the challenges faced by creative companies and the importance of introspection.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and leaders in creative industries
Key quote: This book tells the founding story of Pixar, tells the story of Ed's life, but it also talks about what do you do after you get everything that you thought that you wanted to get.
The host mentions 'Creativity, Inc.' to explore the challenges faced by creative companies and the importance of introspection in leadership. Ed Catmull's insights into the founding of Pixar and the lessons learned from its successes and failures provide a framework for building a sustainable creative culture.
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Best for Business leaders and entrepreneursOften cited around process versus outcome

The book is mentioned in the context of discussing business processes and goals, emphasizing the importance of making something great.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Business leaders and entrepreneurs
Key quote: The process is not the thing.
The host mentions 'Invent and Wander' to highlight Jeff Bezos' insights on the importance of focusing on outcomes rather than just processes in business. This perspective is crucial for leaders to avoid common pitfalls as their organizations grow.
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Best for Business leaders and entrepreneursOften cited around Leadership and Management

Ed comes across the work of W. Edward Deming, who helped the Japanese manufacturing industry and whose ideas he realizes he can use in his work.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
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Key quote: The responsibility for finding and fixing problems should be assigned to every employee.
The host discusses how Ed learned from W. Edward Deming's principles while navigating the challenges of managing Pixar. Deming's ideas about responsibility and quality ownership became foundational for Ed's approach to leadership during a tumultuous time for the company.
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Best for Professionals in creative industries and business leadersOften cited around quality in filmmaking

The excerpt references a biography of Steve Jobs, discussing his philosophy and approach to business and creativity.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Professionals in creative industries and business leaders
Key quote: Steve understood that every interaction a customer had with Apple could increase or decrease his or her respect for the company.
The host mentions 'Becoming Steve Jobs' to highlight Steve Jobs' philosophy on maintaining high quality in every aspect of a company. This philosophy resonates with the lessons learned from the production of Toy Story 2, emphasizing that quality is essential for reputation and success.
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Creativity, Inc. Overcoming the Unseen Forces that Stand in the Way of True Inspiration
Founders · 3:42
This book tells the founding story of Pixar, tells the story of Ed's life, but it also talks about what do you do after you get everything that you t…
Invent and Wander, The Collected Writings of Jeff Bezos
Founders · 47:17
The process is not the thing.
W. Edward Deming
Founders · 27:29
The responsibility for finding and fixing problems should be assigned to every employee.
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Creativity, Inc. Overcoming the Unseen Forces that Stand in the Way of True Inspiration
Ed Catmull

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W. Edward Deming

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Movies & Documentaries Mentioned

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Star Wars

Confidence: 100%

I first got into the film business in 1979 when flush from the success of Star Wars, George Lucas hired me to help him bring high technology into the film industry.

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Toy Story 2

Confidence: 100%

They started Toy Story 2. The movie was so bad they had to fire the team, the director and the team and give it to John Lasseter to fix it.

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Toy Story

Confidence: 100%

He accomplishes that goal when Toy Story comes out, a movie that almost 30 years after it came out, I'm still watching it with my kids.

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Ratatouille

Confidence: 90%

Brad Bird wrote this speech that he gives at the towards the end of the movie. The speech rocked me, and to this day, it sticks with me as I think about my work.

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A Bug's Life

Confidence: 90%

The filmmakers wanted the widescreen format because it led to a better experience in the theater, but there was conflict with the marketing people.

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The Incredibles

Confidence: 90%

Brad Bird remembers a meeting during the making of The Incredibles when Steve hurt his feelings by criticizing some artwork.

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American Graffiti

Confidence: 80%

In the wake of American Graffiti success, George Lucas was advised to demand a higher salary on his next movie, which would be Star Wars.