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#346 How Walt Disney Built Himself

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#346 How Walt Disney Built Himself mentions Against the Odds by James Dyson, Walt Disney, The Triumph of the American Imagination by Neil Gabler, The Eternal Pursuit of Unhappiness by David Ogilvie, and Port Charlie's Almanac with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Against the Odds
James Dyson

It's why I said out of every single book that I've ever read, my number one recommendation is still James Dyson's first autobiography, Against the Od…

Walt Disney's key traits were raw ingenuity and a sadistic determination.

Ogilvie describes this. He says, we have a habit of divine discontent with our performance is an anecdote to smugness.

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What I learned from rereading Walt Disney: The Triumph of the American Imagination by Neal Gabler. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders You can read, reread, and search all my notes and highlights from every book I've ever read for the podcast. You can also ask SAGE any question and SAGE will read all my notes, highlights, and every transcript from every episode for you. A few questions I've asked SAGE recently: What are the most important leadership lessons from history's greatest entrepreneurs? Can you give me a summary of Warren Buffett's best ideas? (Substitute any founder covered on the podcast and you'll get a comprehensive and easy to read summary of their ideas) How did Edwin Land find new employees to hire? Any unusual sources to find talent? What are some strategies that Cornelius Vanderbilt used against his competitors? Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- Join this email list if you want early access to any Founders live events and conferences Join my personal email list if you want me to email you my top ten highlights from every book I read ---- Buy a super comfortable Founders sweatshirt (or hat) here ! ---- (2:00) Disney’s key traits were raw ingenuity combined with sadistic determination. (3:00) I had spent a lifetime with a frustrated, and often unemployed man, who hated anybody who was successful. — Francis Ford Coppola: A Filmmaker's Life by Michael Schumacher. (Founders #242) (6:00) Disney put excelence before any other consideration. (11:00) Maybe the most important thing anyone ever said to him: You’re crazy to be a professor she told Ted. What you really want to do is draw. Ted’s notebooks were always filled with these fabulous animals. So I set to work diverting him. Here was a man who could draw such pictures. He should earn a living doing that. — Becoming Dr. Seuss: Theodor Geisel and the Making of an American Imagination by Brian Jay Jones. (Founders #161) (14:00) A quote about Edwin Land that would apply to Walt Disney too: Land had learned early on that total engrossment was the best way for him to work. He strongly believed that this kind of concentrated focus could also produce extraordinary results for others. Late in his career, Land recalled that his “whole life has been spent trying to teach people that intense concentration for hour after hour can bring out in people resources they didn’t know they had.” A Triumph of Genius: Edwin Land, Polaroid, and the Kodak Patent War by Ronald Fierstein. (Founders #134) (15:00) My parents objected strenuously, but I finally talked them into letting me join up as a Red Cross ambulance driver. I had to lie about my age, of course. In my company was another fellow who had lied about his age to get in. He was regarded as a strange duck, because whenever we had time off and went out on the town to chase girls, he stayed in camp drawing pictures. His name was Walt Disney. Grinding It Out: The Making of McDonald's by Ray Kroc. (Founders #293) (20:00) Walt Disney had big dreams. He had outsized aspirations. (22:00) A quote from Edwin Land that would apply to Walt Disney too: My motto is very personal and may not fit anyone else or any other company. It is: Don't do anything that someone else can do. (24:00) Walt Disney seldom dabbled. Everyone who knew him remarked on his intensity; when something intrigued him, he focused himself entirely as if it were the only thing that mattered. (29:00) He had the drive and ambition of 10 million men. (29:00) I'm going to sit tight. I have the greatest opportunity I've ever had, and I'm in it for everything. (31:00) He seemed confident beyond any logical reason for him to be so. It appeared that nothing discouraged him. (31:00) You have to take the hard knocks with the good breaks in life. (32:00) Nothing wrong with my aim, just gotta change the target. — Jay Z (35:00) He sincerely wanted to be counted among the best in his craft. (43:00) He didn't want to just be another animation producer. He wanted to be the king of animation. Disney believed that quality was his only real advantage. (47:00) Walt Disney wanted domination. Domination that would make his position unassailable. (49:00) Disney was always trying to make something he could be proud of. (50:00) We have a habit of divine discontent with our performance. It is an antidote to smugness. — Eternal Pursuit of Unhappiness: Being Very Good Is No Good,You Have to Be Very, Very, Very, Very, Very Good by David Ogilvy and Ogivly & Mather. (Founders #343) (53:00) While it is easy, of course, for me to celebrate my doggedness now and say that it is all you need to succeed, the truth is that it demoralized me terribly. I would crawl into the house every night covered in dust after a long day, exhausted and depressed because that day's cyclone had not worked. There were times when I thought it would never work, that I would keep on making cyclone after cyclone, never going forwards, never going backwards, until I died. — Against the Odds: An Autobiography by James Dyson (Founders #300) (56:00) He doesn't place a premium on collecting friends or socializing: "I don't believe in 50 friends. I believe in a smaller number. Nor do I care about society events. It's the most senseless use of time. When I do go out, from time to time, it's just to convince myself again that I'm not missing a lot." — The Red Bull Story by Wolfgang Fürweger (Founders #333) (1:02:00) Steve was at the center of all the circles. He made all the important product decisions. From my standpoint, as an individual programmer, demoing to Steve was like visiting the Oracle of Delphi. The demo was my question. Steve's response was the answer. While the pronouncements from the Greek Oracle often came in the form of confusing riddles, that wasn't true with Steve. He was always easy to understand. He would either approve a demo, or he would request to see something different next time. Whenever Steve reviewed a demo, he would say, often with highly detailed specificity, what he wanted to happen next. He was always trying to ensure the products were as intuitive and straightforward as possible, and he was willing to invest his own time, effort, and influence to see that they were. Through looking at demos, asking for specific changes, then reviewing the changed work again later on and giving a final approval before we could ship, Steve could make a product turn out like he wanted. Much like the Greek Oracle, Steve foretold the future. — Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs by Ken Kocienda. (Founders #281) (1:07:00) He griped that when he hired veteran animators he had to “put up with their Goddamn poor working habits from doing cheap pictures.” He believed it was easier to start from scratch with young art students and indoctrinate them in the Disney system. (1:15:00) I don’t want to be relagated to the cartoon medium. We have worlds to conquer here. (1:17:00) Advice Henry Ford gave Walt Disney about selling his company: If you sell any of it you should sell all of it. (1:23:00) He kept a slogan pasted inside of his hat: You can’t top pigs with pigs. (A reminder that we have to keep blazing new trails.) (1:25:00) Disney’s Land: Walt Disney and the Invention of the Amusement Park That Changed the World by Richard Snow. (1:33:00) It is the detail. If we lose the detail, we lose it all. ---- Get access to Founders Notes ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. 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Against the Odds
James Dyson

The host emphasizes the importance of James Dyson's autobiography, 'Against the Odds,' in understanding the relentles…

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Walt Disney, The Triumph of the American Imagination
Neil Gabler

The host discusses the profound impact of Walt Disney on the entertainment industry and how his traits of ingenuity a…

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The Eternal Pursuit of Unhappiness
David Ogilvie

The host mentions 'The Eternal Pursuit of Unhappiness' to illustrate the concept of divine discontentment, which both…

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Port Charlie's Almanac

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Dr. Seuss
Brian J. Jones

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Disney's land
Richard Snow

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Creative Selection

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Ray Kroc's autobiography

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Individuals interested in creativity, innovation, and personal development.Those interested in entrepreneurship and the history of entertainmentCreative professionals and those interested in personal developmentEntrepreneurs and business leadersIndividuals interested in the creative journeys of iconic figuresEntrepreneurs and creatives interested in innovation

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Against the Odds
James Dyson
Best for Individuals interested in creativity, innovation, and personal development.Often cited around Walt Disney's relentless pursuit

It's so important because we can celebrate Disney and his accomplishments after the fact. But going through this, it's so difficult that any logical person would quit.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in creativity, innovation, and personal development.
Key quote: It's why I said out of every single book that I've ever read, my number one recommendation is still James Dyson's first autobiography, Against the Odds, by James Dyson.
The host emphasizes the importance of James Dyson's autobiography, 'Against the Odds,' in understanding the relentless pursuit of excellence exemplified by Walt Disney. The book illustrates how this drive can lead to both remarkable achievements and personal struggles, making it a crucial read for anyone interested in creativity and innovation.
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Walt Disney, The Triumph of the American Imagination cover
Best for Those interested in entrepreneurship and the history of entertainmentOften cited around Walt Disney's influence

This is a giant, comprehensive, 800-page biography of Walt Disney that explores his life and influence, particularly after reading many biographies of history's greatest entrepreneurs.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Those interested in entrepreneurship and the history of entertainment
Key quote: Walt Disney's key traits were raw ingenuity and a sadistic determination.
The host discusses the profound impact of Walt Disney on the entertainment industry and how his traits of ingenuity and determination shaped his success. The mention of the book serves to highlight Disney's legacy and the lessons learned from his life, especially in relation to other influential filmmakers.
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Best for Creative professionals and those interested in personal developmentOften cited around Walt Disney's work ethic

It's a very short book. It's very hard to find. I think it sold out really fast after that episode came out, but it's based on Ogilvie's idea of divine discontentment.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Creative professionals and those interested in personal development
Key quote: Ogilvie describes this. He says, we have a habit of divine discontent with our performance is an anecdote to smugness.
The host mentions 'The Eternal Pursuit of Unhappiness' to illustrate the concept of divine discontentment, which both David Ogilvie and Walt Disney embodied in their work. This book emphasizes the relentless pursuit of excellence and the emotional toll it can take on individuals striving for perfection.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around importance of learning from history

There's a line in Port Charlie's Almanac that I think about all the time. I should actually, I don't wear hats normally, but I should start putting messages like there's ideas worth billions in a $30 history book.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: there's ideas worth billions in a $30 history book.
The host mentions 'Port Charlie's Almanac' to emphasize the value of learning from historical successes and failures in entrepreneurship. He highlights how this book encapsulates the idea that studying the past can provide leverage for future success.
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Dr. Seuss
Brian J. Jones
Best for Individuals interested in the creative journeys of iconic figuresOften cited around Walt Disney's artistic journey

The biography of Dr. Seuss discusses his life and how he met his wife while drawing in class, paralleling Walt Disney's own experiences.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in the creative journeys of iconic figures
Key quote: Years ago, I read a biography of Dr. Seuss, whose real name is Theodor Geisel, I think is how you pronounce it.
The host mentions the biography of Dr. Seuss to draw parallels between Seuss's early artistic inclinations and Walt Disney's journey. Both figures faced societal pressures regarding their passions but ultimately pursued their creative paths despite challenges.
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Disney's land
Richard Snow
Best for Entrepreneurs and creatives interested in innovationOften cited around Walt Disney's creative process

There's an entire book I read called Disney's land, which is about how he built Disneyland.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and creatives interested in innovation
Key quote: I did on this dedicated. There's an entire book I read called Disney's land, which is about how he built Disneyland.
The host discusses Walt Disney's innovative mindset and his drive to create Disneyland as a groundbreaking project in his career. The mention of the book 'Disney's Land' serves to highlight the depth of Disney's vision and the importance of this creation in his legacy.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around Walt Disney's storytelling approach

There's this book called Creative Selection that I talk about over and over again because I've read it a bunch of times.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: There's this book called Creative Selection that I talk about over and over again because I've read it a bunch of times.
The host mentions 'Creative Selection' to highlight the contrasting leadership styles of Walt Disney and Steve Jobs, particularly in their decision-making processes. The book provides insights into Disney's instinctual approach and how it parallels with Jobs' clarity in product development.
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Best for Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and personal developmentOften cited around Walt Disney's early career

The autobiography of Ray Kroc includes anecdotes about his experiences as an ambulance driver for the Red Cross, similar to Walt Disney's story.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and personal development
Key quote: And what's hilarious is Ray Kroc is around the same age. Right. Too young to fight in the war.
The host mentions Ray Kroc's autobiography to draw a parallel between Kroc and Walt Disney, particularly their shared experience of wanting to escape their circumstances. This reference highlights the theme of pursuing one's passion despite familial expectations.
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Against the Odds
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It's why I said out of every single book that I've ever read, my number one recommendation is still James Dyson's first autobiography, Against the Od…
Walt Disney, The Triumph of the American Imagination
Founders · 1:32
Walt Disney's key traits were raw ingenuity and a sadistic determination.
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Ogilvie describes this. He says, we have a habit of divine discontent with our performance is an anecdote to smugness.
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Against the Odds
James Dyson

The host emphasizes the importance of James Dyson's autobiography, 'Against the Odds,' in understanding the relentless pursuit of excellence exempl…

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Walt Disney, The Triumph of the American Imagination
Neil Gabler

The host discusses the profound impact of Walt Disney on the entertainment industry and how his traits of ingenuity and determination shaped his su…

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The Eternal Pursuit of Unhappiness
David Ogilvie

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Movies & Documentaries Mentioned

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Star Wars

Confidence: 90%

George Lucas made three times as much on Star Wars toys as he did the movies. Star Wars printed money, with an $11 million budget and made $775 million at the box office.

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Snow White

Confidence: 95%

Snow White became the highest grossing American film up until that point and was a merchandise cash cow with 2,183 different products.

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Alice's Wonderland

Confidence: 90%

Walt Disney created a live action cartoon called Alice's Wonderland, which combined live action with animation, marking an important step in his career.

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20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

Confidence: 90%

The movie example, 20,000 leagues under the sea that he releases before he releases that he releases, because he's going to do this deal with ABC.

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1941

Confidence: 90%

Steven Spielberg, at around 50 years old, reflects on his movie set for 1941, expressing his amazement that he gets paid to do what he loves.

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Alice in Wonderland

Confidence: 90%

A Gallup poll indicated that the program created new awareness of Alice. This is Alice in Wonderland now.