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#260 One from Many: VISA and the Rise of Chaordic Organization

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#260 One from Many: VISA and the Rise of Chaordic Organization mentions Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 1 by D. Hawk, Autobiography of a Restless Mind by Dee Hawk, Visa and the Rise of the Chaotic Organization by D. Hawk, and Let My People Go Surfing, The Education of a Reluctant Businessman by Yvon Chouinard with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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to me, that experience was like having a wise old man, like a wise old grandfather figure, pull you aside for a few minutes, and just teach you littl…

to me, that experience was like having a wise old man, like a wise old grandfather figure, pull you aside for a few minutes, and just teach you littl…

To me, that experience was like having a wise old man, like a wise old grandfather figure, pull you aside for a few minutes, and just teach you littl…

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What I learned from rereading One from Many: VISA and the Rise of Chaordic Organization by Dee Hock. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- [2:00] I feel compelled to open my life to new possibilities. [2:54] Life is a magnificent, mysterious Odyssey to be experienced. [3:12] One From Many (Founders #42) [3:30] Autobiography of a Restless Mind: Reflections on the Human Condition Volume 1 by Dee Hock and Autobiography of a Restless Mind: Reflections on the Human Condition Volume 2 by Dee Hock [5:12] Patrick Collison tweet on Dee Hock [7:51] He thought from first principles and questioned everything, even down to the nature of money itself. [8:26] He saw a better way of doing things and he didn't listen to folks who said it couldn't be done. [9:32] Today's magic was yesterday's dream. [13:27] Chaordic 1. The behavior of any self-organizing, self-governing, organ, organization, or system that harmoniously exhibits characteristics of both order and chaos. 2. Patterned by chaos and order in a way not dominated by either. 3. Blending of diversity, chaos, complexity and order characteristic of the fundamental organizing principles of evolution and nature. [17:05] That Hock boy is a little strange, he'll read anything. [23:01] None of it seemed demeaning. It was life. It was making a living. It was what proud men did without whining. [24:14] 76 year old Dee Hock describing the 20 year old version of Dee Hock: Thus, at twenty, newly married, unemployed, eager to learn but averse to being taught, emerged an absurdly naive, idealistic, young man—an innocent lamb hunting the lion of life. The hungry lion was swift to pounce. [30:39] If you don’t zero in on your bureaucracy every so often, you will naturally build in layers. You never set out to add bureaucracy. You just get it. Period. Without even knowing it. So you always have to be looking to eliminate it. — Sam Walton: Made In America by Sam Walton (Founders #234) [31:57] In industrial age organizations purpose slowly erodes into process. [34:29] Excellence is the capacity to take pain. [38:41] You can't make a good deal with a bad person. [39:48] Stubborn opinionated, unorthodox, rebellious. [41:31] With three young children, a heavily mortgaged house, no job, little money in reserve, it was impossible to stay out of a dismal swamp of depression. Day after day, I walked the woods in misting Northwest rain. My constant companion was an overwhelming feeling of failure. What was wrong with me? [42:51] There would be no more intense commitment to work. [43:55] He's got an intense commitment to life! [45:38] Use your brain but follow your heart. [53:52] When I die and go to hell, the devil is going to make me the marketing director for a cola company. I’ll be in charge of trying to sell a product that no one needs, is identical to its competition, and can’t be sold on its merits. I’d be competing head-on in the cola wars, on price, distribution, advertising, and promotion, which would indeed be hell for me. — Let My People Go Surfing: The Education of a Reluctant Businessman by Yvon Chouinard (Founders #18) [55:56] Focus on how your product or company ought to be and nothing else. [57:28] Business Breakdowns Visa: The Original Protocol Business [58:10] Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary by Linus Torvalds and David Diamond (Founders #176) [1:02:40] His Oh Shit! Moment [1:06:12] He had a passionate commitment to the ideas that bordered on zealotry. [1:06:39] There were dozens of times when I longed to quit. What prevented me is not entirely clear. [1:06:58] Possibility can never be determined by opinion, only by attempt. [1:07:26] What kept me going remains a mystery. It doesn't really matter for there was an inexpressible sense that in some profound non-physical way existence would lose meaning if I did not persist. [1:10:03] Chronicles: Volume One by Bob Dylan (Founders #259) ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 1
D. Hawk

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Autobiography of a Restless Mind
Dee Hawk

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Visa and the Rise of the Chaotic Organization
D. Hawk

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Yvon Chouinard

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Sam Walton's fantastic autobiography
Sam Walton

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Visa

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Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 2
D. Hawk

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Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 1 cover
Best for Readers seeking personal growth and wisdomOften cited around D. Hawk's influence

The speaker mentions 'Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 1' as a book that has been on their nightstand for years, indicating its significance in their life.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers seeking personal growth and wisdom
Key quote: to me, that experience was like having a wise old man, like a wise old grandfather figure, pull you aside for a few minutes, and just teach you little bits of knowledge that he's learned not only from his very unique life of founding and starting Visa, but also reading thousands and thousands of books.
The host mentions 'Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 1' as a source of wisdom and inspiration, reflecting on how the book has been a consistent presence in his life. He expresses a desire to honor the author after his passing by revisiting the insights gained from the book.
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Autobiography of a Restless Mind cover
Best for Readers seeking personal growth and wisdomOften cited around D. Hawk's influence

He writes Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 1 and Volume 2. This is where I will leave it. If you want the full story, highly recommend reading the book.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers seeking personal growth and wisdom
Key quote: to me, that experience was like having a wise old man, like a wise old grandfather figure, pull you aside for a few minutes, and just teach you little bits of knowledge that he's learned not only from his very unique life of founding and starting Visa, but also reading thousands and thousands of books.
The host mentions 'Autobiography of a Restless Mind' as a source of wisdom and inspiration from D. Hawk, who recently passed away. The book has been a regular part of the host's reading routine, providing valuable insights akin to having a wise mentor.
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Visa and the Rise of the Chaotic Organization cover
Best for Individuals seeking personal growth and wisdomOften cited around D. Hawk's life lessons

The speaker discusses re-reading 'Visa and the Rise of the Chaotic Organization' by D. Hawk, reflecting on its impact and the author's unique perspective.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals seeking personal growth and wisdom
Key quote: To me, that experience was like having a wise old man, like a wise old grandfather figure, pull you aside for a few minutes, and just teach you little bits of knowledge that he's learned not only from his very unique life of founding and starting Visa, but also reading thousands and thousands of books.
The host mentions 'Visa and the Rise of the Chaotic Organization' to highlight the profound impact D. Hawk's thoughts have had on his life. He reflects on how re-reading Hawk's work has provided him with valuable insights and wisdom.
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Let My People Go Surfing, The Education of a Reluctant Businessman cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around business management challenges

The speaker references Yvon Chouinard's book, discussing the idea of designing a company opposite to one's worst job experience.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: What if you were to describe the worst version of the job that you have? And then in building your company, you design the opposite of that.
The host references Yvon Chouinard's book to illustrate the importance of defining what one does not want in a job to create a better work environment. Chouinard's humorous take on the worst job scenario serves as a catalyst for discussing effective business practices and product differentiation.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and organizational leadersOften cited around bureaucracy in organizations

The speaker mentions rereading Sam Walton's autobiography, which discusses the need to eliminate bureaucracy in organizations.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and organizational leaders
Key quote: If you don't zero in on your bureaucracy every so often, you will naturally build in layers.
The host mentions 'Sam Walton's fantastic autobiography' to highlight the importance of actively managing bureaucracy within organizations. Walton's insights serve as a cautionary reminder that bureaucracy can accumulate unnoticed and must be addressed to maintain efficiency.
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Visa cover
Best for Individuals seeking personal growth and meaning beyond traditional success.Often cited around Leaving the business world

The speaker discusses the creation of Visa and the challenges faced in the credit card industry, highlighting the author's journey.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals seeking personal growth and meaning beyond traditional success.
Key quote: I abruptly left Visa and severed all connections with the business world, offering the only possible explanation.
The host reflects on their personal journey of leaving Visa and the business world to explore new possibilities in life. They mention the book 'Visa' as a significant influence during this transformative period.
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Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 2 cover
Best for Readers interested in philosophical insightsOften cited around D. Hawk's maxims

The speaker refers to 'Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 2' as another book by D. Hawk, highlighting the author's collection of maxims.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in philosophical insights
Key quote: 'Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 2' as another book by D. Hawk, highlighting the author's collection of maxims.
The host briefly mentions 'Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 2' to highlight the author's unique collection of maxims. This reference serves to illustrate the author's broader work and perspective.
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The host mentions 'Autobiography of a Restless Mind, Volume 1' as a source of wisdom and inspiration, reflecting on how the book has been a consist…

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