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#345 George Lucas mentions Setting the Table by Danny Meyer, In the Company of Giants, George Lucas, a life by Brian J. Jones, and Pieces of the Action by Vannevar Bush with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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The road to success is paved with mistakes well handled.

I think it's the most important job.

George Lucas, a life
Brian J. Jones

That sentence where it's like, you know, he unapologetically invested in what he believed in most himself is my favorite sentence in the entire book.

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What I learned from rereading George Lucas: A Life by Brian Jay Jones. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders You can read, reread, and search all my notes and highlights from every book I've ever read for the podcast. You can also ask SAGE any question and SAGE will read all my notes, highlights, and every transcript from every episode for you. A few questions I've asked SAGE recently: What are the most important leadership lessons from history's greatest entrepreneurs? Can you give me a summary of Warren Buffett's best ideas? (Substitute any founder covered on the podcast and you'll get a comprehensive and easy to read summary of their ideas) How did Edwin Land find new employees to hire? Any unusual sources to find talent? What are some strategies that Cornelius Vanderbilt used against his competitors? Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- Join this email list if you want early access to any Founders live events and conferences Join my personal email list if you want me to email you my top ten highlights from every book I read ---- Buy a super comfortable Founders sweatshirt (or hat) here ! ---- (0:01) George Lucas unapologetically invested in what he believed in the most: himself. (1:00) George Lucas is the Thomas Edison of the modern film industry. (1:30) A list of biographies written by Brian Jay Jones (6:00) Elon Musk interviewed by Kevin Rose (10:15) How many people think the solution to gaining quality control, improving fiscal responsibility, and stimulating technological innovation is to start their own special-effects company? But that’s what he did. (17:00) When I finally discovered film, I really fell madly in love with it. I ate it. I slept it. 24 hours a day. There was no going back. (18:00) Those on the margins often come to control the center. (Game of Thrones) (21:00) As soon as I made my first film, I thought, Hey, I’m good at this. I know how to do this. From then on, I’ve never questioned it. (23:00) He was becoming increasingly cranky about the idea of working with others and preferred doing everything himself. (34:00) Francis Ford Coppola: A Filmmaker's Life by Michael Schumacher. (Founders #242) (42:00) The film Easy Rider was made for $350,000. It grossed over $60 million at the box office. (45:00) The Founders: The Story of PayPal and the Entrepreneurs Who Shaped Silicon Valley by Jimmy Soni. (Founders #233) A Mind at Play: How Claude Shannon Invented the Information Age by Jimmy Soni and Rob Goodman (Founders #95) Steve Jobs & The NeXT Big Thing by Randall Stross. (Founders #77) (47:00) What we’re striving for is total freedom, where we can finance our pictures, make them our way, release them where we want them released, and be completely free. That’s very hard to do in the world of business. You have to have the money in order to have the power to be free. (49:00) You should reject the status quo and pursue freedom. (49:00) People would give anything to quit their jobs. All they have to do is do it. They’re people in cages with open doors. (51:00) Stay small. Be the best. Don’t lose any money. (59:00) That was a very dark period for me. We were in dire financial strait. I turned that down [directing someone else’s movie] at my bleakest point, when I was in debt to my parents, in debt to Francis Coppola, in debt to my agent; I was so far in debt I thought I’d never get out. It took years to get from my first film to my second film, banging on doors, trying to get people to give me a chance. Writing, struggling, with no money in the bank… getting little jobs, eking out a living. Trying to stay alive, and pushing a script that nobody wanted. (1:02:00) “Opening this new restaurant might be the worst mistake I've ever made." Stanley [Stanley Marcus of Neiman Marcus] set his martini down, looked me in the eye, and said, "So you made a mistake. You need to understand something important. And listen to me carefully: The road to success is paved with mistakes well handled." His words remained with me through the night. I repeated them over and over to myself, and it led to a turning point in the way I approached business. Stanley's lesson reminded me of something my grandfather Irving Harris had always told me: “The definition of business is problems." His philosophy came down to a simple fact of business life: success lies not in the elimination of problems but in the art of creative, profitable problem solving. The best companies are those that distinguish themselves by solving problems most effectively. Setting the Table: The Transforming Power of Hospitality in Business by Danny Meyer. (1:05:00) My thing about art is that I don’t like the word art because it means pretension and bullshit, and I equate those two directly. I don’t think of myself as an artist. I’m a craftsman. I don’t make a work of art; I make a movie. (1:06:00) I know how good I am. American Graffiti is successful because it came entirely from my head. It was my concept. And that’s the only way I can work. (1:09:00) Creative Selection: Inside Apple's Design Process During the Golden Age of Steve Jobs by Ken Kocienda. (Founders #281) (1:21:00) The budget for Star Wars was $11 million. In brought in $775 million at the box office alone! (1:25:00) Steven Spielberg made over $40 million from the original Star Wars. Spielberg gave Lucas 2.5% of Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Lucas gave Spielberg 2.5% of Star Wars. That to 2.5% would earn Spielberg more than $40 million over the next four decades. ---- Get access to Founders Notes ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Setting the Table
Danny Meyer

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In the Company of Giants

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George Lucas, a life
Brian J. Jones

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Pieces of the Action
Vannevar Bush

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Creative Selection
Ken Kosienda

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The Founders
Jimmy Sony

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Driven
Larry Miller

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Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing
Randall Strauss

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  • The strongest audience signal points to Aspiring entrepreneurs and business leaders and Entrepreneurs and startup founders.

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Aspiring entrepreneurs and business leadersEntrepreneurs and startup foundersFans of filmmaking and biographiesIndividuals interested in innovative hiring practices and American business history.Anyone building a product or interested in creative processes.Entrepreneurs and business professionals

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Best for Aspiring entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around business and problem solving

The speaker references a book by Danny Meyer, which discusses the importance of handling mistakes in business and the philosophy that success lies in solving problems.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Aspiring entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: The road to success is paved with mistakes well handled.
The host mentions 'Setting the Table' by Danny Meyer to illustrate the importance of handling mistakes in business. The book's insights on problem-solving resonate with the challenges faced by filmmakers like George Lucas.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and startup foundersOften cited around importance of hiring

It's called In the Company of Giants. I think it's episode 208 of Founders. It's two Stanford MBA students, if I remember correctly, and they're interviewing a bunch of technology company founders.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and startup founders
Key quote: I think it's the most important job.
The host mentions 'In the Company of Giants' to highlight insights from Steve Jobs on the critical nature of hiring in startups. This book provides valuable perspectives from various technology founders, emphasizing the importance of investing time in recruitment.
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George Lucas, a life
Brian J. Jones
Best for Fans of filmmaking and biographiesOften cited around George Lucas's filmmaking journey

This was an excerpt from the book I'm going to talk to you about today, which is George Lucas, a life. And it was written by Brian J. Jones. Brian J. Jones writes excellent biographies.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Fans of filmmaking and biographies
Key quote: That sentence where it's like, you know, he unapologetically invested in what he believed in most himself is my favorite sentence in the entire book.
The host discusses the profound impact of George Lucas's vision and the challenges he faced during the making of Star Wars. The mention of the book 'George Lucas, a life' serves to highlight Lucas's commitment to his beliefs and the innovative spirit that defined his career.
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Best for Individuals interested in innovative hiring practices and American business history.Often cited around Vannevar Bush's hiring process

I read his fantastic autobiography called Pieces of the Action, and I came across this weird highlight.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in innovative hiring practices and American business history.
Key quote: I read his fantastic autobiography called Pieces of the Action, and I came across this weird highlight.
The host highlights Vannevar Bush's unique approach to hiring, emphasizing the importance of social skills and creativity. He mentions Bush's autobiography, 'Pieces of the Action,' to illustrate how innovative thinking can be applied in the hiring process.
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Creative Selection
Ken Kosienda
Best for Anyone building a product or interested in creative processes.Often cited around George Lucas writing process

The speaker mentions having read 'Creative Selection' multiple times and recommends it for anyone building a product, highlighting its insights from a programmer at Apple.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Anyone building a product or interested in creative processes.
Key quote: If you read the book, Creative Selection, it's episode 281.
The host discusses George Lucas's writing process as described in 'Creative Selection' by Ken Kosienda, emphasizing the discipline and structure Lucas applied to his work. This book illustrates the importance of creating demos to communicate ideas effectively, a principle that Lucas utilized in developing 'Star Wars'.
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The Founders
Jimmy Sony
Best for Entrepreneurs and business professionalsOften cited around importance of historical knowledge

Jimmy Sony is the author of this book called The Founders. I think I covered it back on Episode 234.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and business professionals
Key quote: I really do believe a subscription to Founders Notes is the perfect companion.
The host emphasizes the significance of understanding the history of one's industry, citing how great figures like Warren Buffett and Quentin Tarantino have benefited from cataloging ideas. He recommends 'Founders Notes' as a valuable resource for anyone looking to deepen their knowledge and apply the lessons from history's greatest entrepreneurs.
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Driven
Larry Miller
Best for Aspiring entrepreneurs and creativesOften cited around George Lucas's entrepreneurial spirit

I read in Larry Miller's autobiography called Driven. He owns like, he owned like 93 companies all throughout Utah, car dealerships, movie theaters, all kinds of crazy stuff.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Aspiring entrepreneurs and creatives
Key quote: The lessons Lucas learned from Uncle Scrooge would shape the kind of businessman he would become in the future, conservative and driven, believing strongly in his own vision and pursuing it aggressively.
The host mentions 'Driven' to illustrate how George Lucas's dissatisfaction with existing technology led him to create his own special effects company, Industrial Light and Magic. This entrepreneurial mindset reflects the book's themes of innovation and pursuing one's vision against the odds.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around Steve Jobs' poor decisions

It's called Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing. And it's on the 13 years between he was kicked out of Apple and then he returns.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: Steve Jobs, the ninth employee, if I remember correctly, ninth or tenth employee at Next was an interior designer for the office.
The host discusses the book 'Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing' to illustrate the poor decisions made by Jobs during a critical period of his career. This analysis serves to highlight how even great entrepreneurs can falter by focusing on non-essential aspects of their business.
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Zero to One
Peter Thiel
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around importance of hiring

I think this is the book Zero to One. Understand that most companies don't even differentiate their pitches to potential recruits and to hiring.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: Understand that most companies don't even differentiate their pitches to potential recruits and to hiring.
The host references 'Zero to One' by Peter Thiel to emphasize the significance of having a differentiated hiring pitch that stands out to potential recruits. This aligns with the broader discussion on how crucial it is to hire individuals who resonate with the company's mission and values.
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Titan
Ron Chernow
Best for Business leaders and entrepreneursOften cited around hiring talented people

There's a line from Titan I want to read to you. Taking for granted the growth of his empire, he hired talented people as found, not as needed.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business leaders and entrepreneurs
Key quote: Taking for granted the growth of his empire, he hired talented people as found, not as needed.
The host mentions the book 'Titan' to illustrate John D. Rockefeller's unique approach to hiring. Rockefeller prioritized hiring talented individuals as he encountered them, rather than waiting until there was a need for new employees.
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Dr. Seuss
Brian J. Jones
Best for Readers interested in biographies and personal developmentOften cited around biographies of influential figures

I read his biography on Dr. Seuss, which was excellent.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in biographies and personal development
Key quote: I read his biography on Dr. Seuss, which was excellent.
The host mentions Brian J. Jones's biography on Dr. Seuss as an example of excellent storytelling and insight into influential figures. This recommendation is tied to the broader theme of investing in oneself, which is a key concept in the biography of George Lucas being discussed.
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Jim Henson
Brian J. Jones
Best for Readers interested in biographies of influential creatorsOften cited around George Lucas biography

He also wrote an incredible biography on Jim Henson.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in biographies of influential creators
Key quote: That sentence where it's like, you know, he unapologetically invested in what he believed in most himself is my favorite sentence in the entire book.
The host mentions the book 'Jim Henson' by Brian J. Jones to highlight the author's skill in writing compelling biographies. The host reflects on the lasting impact of Henson's story and connects it to the themes of investing in oneself, which resonates with the narrative of George Lucas.
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Best for Aspiring filmmakers and film studentsOften cited around George Lucas's filmmaking journey

Lucas expresses his intense desire to write American Graffiti, but ends up with an unusable script and no money, leading to a dark period in his life.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Aspiring filmmakers and film students
Key quote: It was mind-blowing because we've been making films for $300 and we saw this as an incredible waste.
The host discusses George Lucas's early experiences in filmmaking and how they shaped his career. The mention of 'American Graffiti' highlights Lucas's willingness to take risks and his contrasting views on Hollywood's excesses.
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Best for Filmmakers and aspiring creativesOften cited around Influences on George Lucas

I found one, two, three, four new books from this bibliography and one of them is just about how gut-wrenching and difficult making Star Wars was.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Filmmakers and aspiring creatives
Key quote: the influences that he used to build Star Wars, which is obviously the cornerstone of his multi-billion dollar empire, have been well documented.
The host discusses how George Lucas, like other influential filmmakers, was deeply influenced by his consumption of various media, including biographies and science fiction. This connection highlights the importance of understanding the historical context and influences behind creative works, particularly in the case of 'Star Wars'.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around hiring and problem solving

I read in this book called Liftoff, which is about the first six years of SpaceX. This is what Elon Musk did.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: I read in this book called Liftoff, which is about the first six years of SpaceX.
The host mentions 'Liftoff' to illustrate how Elon Musk effectively solved hiring challenges at SpaceX by addressing personal issues of potential employees. This example highlights the importance of creative problem-solving in recruitment and leadership.
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The PayPal Wars
Eric M. Jackson
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around importance of hiring talent

There's this great book on the history of PayPal. It's written, actually, I've recently become friends with the author. His name is Jimmy Soni.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: There's this great book on the history of PayPal.
The host mentions 'The PayPal Wars' to illustrate how PayPal prioritized speed in their operations while maintaining a high standard for hiring talent. This reference highlights the balance between rapid growth and the necessity of recruiting top-tier individuals.
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Best for entrepreneurs and startup foundersOften cited around hiring strategies in startups

I just did Confessions of an Advertising Man a couple episodes ago, I think 306 or something like that, 307.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: entrepreneurs and startup founders
Key quote: David Ogilvie, I just did Confessions of an Advertising Man a couple episodes ago, I think 306 or something like that, and he did the same thing, but he's David Ogilvie at that point.
The host mentions 'Confessions of an Advertising Man' to illustrate how David Ogilvie approached hiring by seeking out great talent through personal connections. This method highlights the importance of finding exceptional individuals even before a company has established itself.
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The Godfather
Mario Puzo
Best for Aspiring filmmakers and entrepreneursOften cited around Coppola's career decisions

That book is a sprawling gangster novel called The Godfather. And so he goes to Lucas.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Aspiring filmmakers and entrepreneurs
Key quote: They're offering to pay you a bunch of money to direct a film. You have to do it.
The host mentions 'The Godfather' to illustrate how Coppola's financial desperation led him to accept a directing job for the film. This decision was pivotal in shaping his career after the failure of his first movie, THX 1138.
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Setting the Table
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The road to success is paved with mistakes well handled.
In the Company of Giants
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I think it's the most important job.
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Setting the Table
Danny Meyer

The host mentions 'Setting the Table' by Danny Meyer to illustrate the importance of handling mistakes in business. The book's insights on problem-…

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In the Company of Giants

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George Lucas, a life
Brian J. Jones

The host discusses the profound impact of George Lucas's vision and the challenges he faced during the making of Star Wars. The mention of the book…

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Movies & Documentaries Mentioned

Movie

Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Confidence: 100%

He's working 20 hours a day on it. He goes, decides to fly down to Alabama to visit his friend, Steven Spielberg, who's working on the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

Movie

Star Wars

Confidence: 100%

Star Wars would be problem-plagued production that would blow through its budget, mentally and physically exhaust Lucas, and try the patience of executives at Fox.

Movie

Pulp Fiction

Confidence: 100%

Tarantino screens Pulp Fiction before it's released to a bunch of directors. And everybody hates it, except one person.

Movie

The Empire Strikes Back

Confidence: 100%

Before I move on to his biggest bet, which is, hey, I'm going to control the funding for The Empire Strikes Back.

Movie

THX 1138

Confidence: 90%

The first movie that American Zoetrope is going to make is this movie THX 1138, which is about rejecting the status quo and pursuing freedom.

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American Graffiti

Confidence: 90%

Lucas has this idea to make this movie called American Graffiti, a coming-of-age film about cruising in his hometown.

Movie

The Godfather

Confidence: 90%

Coppola agrees to direct The Godfather, an Italian gangster movie based on a sprawling novel by Mario Puzo.