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FoundersJul 19, 2021

#192 Jim Casey (Founder of UPS)

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#192 Jim Casey (Founder of UPS) includes mentions of What an astonishing thing a book is by Carl Sagan, Big Brown: The Untold Story of UPS by Greg Niemann, Zero to One by Peter Thiel, and Big Brown, the untold story of UPS by Greg Neiman, with indexed source context and timestamps where available.

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Indexed context: The host mentions the book in relation to the importance of employee ownership as highlighted by Jim Casey and Les Schwab. They emphasize that unders…

Zero to One
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What I learned from reading Big Brown: The Untold Story of UPS by Greg Niemann. ---- Casey pursued a Spartan business philosophy that emphasized military discipline, drab uniforms, and reliability over flash.I had heard stories about the company's tireless founder. He was a living legend. Jim Casey started working from the age of eleven to support a family of five.Casey began at the bottom. He speedily delivered messages and packages on foot. Casey learned about efficiency by doing.Seconds saved become minutes over the day and a few minutes each day mean big dollars.To outsiders the UPS regime has always seemed excessive.People have always bought more than they could carry, and a hundred years ago they had no cars to help them out. When Jim Casey and his partners began their delivery service, it served only department stores, and the UPS role was to complete the stores' retail transactions.Humility was one of Jim Casey's most strongly held values.Our real, primary objective is to serve. To render perfect service to our stores and their customers. If we keep that objective constantly in mind, our reward in money can be beyond our fondest dreams.Service is the sum of many little things done well.Good management is taking a sincere interest in the welfare of the people you work with. It is the ability to make individuals feel that you and they are the company–not merely employees of it.Jim Casey watched the streets carefully. He watched movement. He watched what people sold and what people bought. He was an eternal puzzle solver, his mind constantly preoccupied by every sensory detail involving his core business, packages. He gravitated to them, mesmerized by how they were wrapped and how they were delivered.When traveling between meetings Casey would frequently tell his driver to stop when he saw a UPS delivery in progress. Without identifying himself, Casey would ask UPS drivers what they thought of their job. He'd listen carefully and consider their answers seriously. These informal "man on the street" interviews became an invaluable way for him to assess the efficiency of UPS delivery operations in a way that a UPS manager's filtered version could not.Jim Casey's office was a small stark room, occupied only by a desk, several chairs, and a coat tree. His door was never closed.His answer for sluggish layers of management was decentralization, and his attitude toward employees was an unwavering belief in and respect for the individual.Money and prestige did not push him. Excellence did.Casey's personal code was discipline.Hardly a shining star, Jim Casey was more a steadily burning flame.Distill Jim Casey's lifelong message to its essence and you get: Neatness, humility, frugality, dependability, safety, strong work ethic, integrity.This unassuming ascetic with an iron will based his company and his every move on ethics that he learned as a child. Jim Casey's parents greeted hardship with grit and ingenuity.Jim was by then old enough to apprehend his parents' mounting anxiety, to understand that his father was not healthy by comparison with other men. The worried atmosphere undoubtedly had effect.At the end of the nineteenth century, the number of American children in the workforce reached staggering proportions. Over two million children worked in mines, factories, and sweatshops, many in appalling conditions.For the Caseys, there was no alternative. It was critical. With two younger brothers to protect and a mother and an ailing father to support, eleven-year-old Jim Casey had developed a maturity that belied his age. His family was in precarious straits, and it was up to him to solve the problem.He worked more than ten and a half hours a day, and longer on Saturdays, starting at $3 a week. [He is 11]He picked up and delivered telegrams, mail, and packages —working from 7 P.M. until 7 A.M.It wasn't all telegrams. Many of the night calls were drug addicts summoning a messenger to help replenish their stash.During winters, it rained and rained. Jim was often cold and wet. Wealthy people could afford fancy hotels. Jim often looked with envy at them through the windows, as they sat in the big hotel chairs looking out onto the rain from warm lobbies.Thompson shot and killed Moritz. [Jim’s partner]The cold-blooded murder left the other two boys stricken.The company, founded in that six-by-seven-foot basement office, would eventually become United Parcel Service.Jim wrote to the Chambers of Commerce of every American city with a population over 100,000, asking for names of local delivery firms. He accumulated the names and then initiated a communications link that he called the "Parcel Delivery Service Bureau." The bureau was a means of sharing new methods, ideas, or systems that worked in different cities. Every once in a while, the correspondence disclosed a gem of an idea, which Jim would hurry to implement. [Founders allows you to do the same]Mr. Carstens told them that he would not fund their venture, but that they should not interpret his resistance as a disincentive. He finished with the words "determined men can gave do anything." That comment became an invocation; Jim Casey would use it as a rallying cry time and again.We have nothing to sell except service.Rather than paying up front with cash, they funded these acquisitions by pledging what they had, which meant shares of UPS stock. UPS was to use this strategy numerous times in coming years.The vision beyond retail store delivery made sense to Casey and he later related “Think of the scores of millions of additional packages we would handle if we delivered all those going into each territory, rather than what goes out of the stores we happen to serve."UPS would take on the ICC one city, state, or multistate area at a time.Like Aesop's tortoise, UPS was sure and steady, plodding toward its objective of providing delivery service all over America, moving forward with perseverance and a humility that bordered on stealth. Big Brown was slowly but inevitably taking over the country.As Jim Casey commented “Employee-ownership is credited by the people inside and outside the company with having done more than any other thing toward making our company and our people so notably successful financially and otherwise."Fred Smith and his FedEx was sheer genius. That FedEx was established in 1973 as an airline, not a ground delivery company, is an important legal distinction, because the company was exempt from onerous common carrier regulations. Airlines fall under a different regulatory body (the FAA), not the ICC that regulated trucking companies.And FedEx didn't intend to start up city by city as UPS always had. The concept was hatched nationwide, with its one hub, from the very beginning.Most UPSers took the ostrich approach, ignoring the new company. Some denigrated it, saying, for instance: How are they going to deliver them on the ground? Their network's too small. People don't need that much delivered overnight. Costs are too high. They'll probably go under.Business building, to Casey, depended on the hard work and loyalty that the stock ownership inspired. "The basic principle which I believe has contributed more than other to the building of our business as it is today, is the ownership of our company by the people employed in it."---Transition seldom comes easily. Of course, we cannot clearly see all of the steps ahead. It is always easier to see difficulties than to develop methods of solving them. But first, let us take sight of a goal. The difficulties will be solved in ways we cannot now see.First is the dream, then development, followed by improvement until the dream becomes a reality. Later a new dream makes the products of an earlier one obsolete. This has been the course of industrial history, and in its path have been the victims and the victors of progress. —Jim Casey ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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What an astonishing thing a book is
Carl Sagan

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Big Brown: The Untold Story of UPS
Greg Niemann

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Big Brown: The Untold Story of UPS
Greg Niemann

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Zero to One
Peter Thiel

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Big Brown, the untold story of UPS
Greg Neiman

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Overnight Success, Federal Express and Frederick Smith

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Les Schwab's autobiography

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Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future
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What an astonishing thing a book is cover
Best for Anyone interested in the value of literature and personal development.Often cited around importance of reading

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A quote from Carl Sagan about the importance of books and reading, highlighting their magical qualities and the connection they create across time.

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The host emphasizes the significance of reading and how it connects us with the thoughts of others, even those long gone. They mention Carl Sagan's quote to illustrate the profound impact books have on human understanding and creativity.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around employee ownership and success

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He put into words, something that I'm seeing in the books that I'm reading, right?

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
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Indexed context: The best investors are not investors at all. They are entrepreneurs who have never sold.
The host mentions the book in relation to the importance of employee ownership as highlighted by Jim Casey and Les Schwab. They emphasize that understanding these principles can lead to significant financial success and valuable lessons for entrepreneurs.
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The author mentions reading a book about the unique opportunities in the information age and the difference in businesses that can be built now.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
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Indexed context: This is a summary of the future of tech entrepreneurship.
The host mentions 'The book on the Vol Robicon' to highlight the unique opportunities available in the information age for building businesses. This book contrasts traditional companies like UPS with modern tech companies, emphasizing efficiency and innovation in entrepreneurship.
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Zero to One
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around cult-like company cultures

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First, I want to read you this quote from Zero to One written by Peter Thiel that I think echoes exactly what we're we're learning from the book that I have in my hand.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
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Indexed context: Entrepreneurs should take cultures of extreme dedication seriously.
The host references 'Zero to One' to emphasize the importance of extreme dedication in successful companies, comparing them to cults. This comparison highlights how commitment and a shared mission are crucial for both UPS and startups, contrasting them with more transient corporate cultures.
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The book I'm going to talk to you about today, which is Big Brown, the untold story of UPS. And it was written by Greg Neiman.

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Indexed context: Jim Casey remains the center of the UPS universe.
The host mentions 'Big Brown, the untold story of UPS' to highlight the significant impact of Jim Casey on the company's development and culture. This book provides insights into the challenges and philosophies that shaped UPS into a major logistics player over the decades.
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Overnight Success, Federal Express and Frederick Smith cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and business studentsOften cited around UPS and FedEx comparison

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The book is called Overnight Success, Federal Express and Frederick Smith. It's running a great creator.

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Indexed context: At the age 30, Frederick Wallace Smith was in deep trouble.
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Charlie Munger says, read Les Schwab's autobiography. He can tell you better than we can.

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Indexed context: Charlie Munger says, read, read Les Schwab's autobiography.
The host mentions Les Schwab's autobiography to emphasize the significance of employee ownership in a company's success. They reference Charlie Munger's advice to read the autobiography, highlighting its insights on incentives and financial success.
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This comes from ashley vance's fantastic book it was actually the first episode i ever did of founders it's on elon musk.

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What an astonishing thing a book is cover
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