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FoundersSep 21, 2023

#321 Working with Jeff Bezos

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#321 Working with Jeff Bezos includes mentions of Working Backwards, Insights, Stories, and Secrets from Inside Amazon by Colin Breyer and Bill Carr, The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint, Pitching Out Corrupts Within by Edward Tuft, Space Barons, and Invent and Wander by Jeff Bezos, with indexed source context and timestamps where available.

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Indexed context: The host mentions 'Working Backwards' to illustrate the importance of high standards in Amazon's culture, as exemplified by Jeff Bezos. The book prov…

Indexed context: The host discusses how Jeff Bezos and his team shifted from using PowerPoint to written narratives for presentations, inspired by Edward Tuft's insig…

Indexed context: The host emphasizes the importance of the book 'Space Barons' in understanding the contrasting approaches of Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk in the space in…

Guest: Jeff Bezos
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What I learned from reading Working Backwards: Insights, Stories, and Secrets from Inside Amazon by Colin Bryar and Bill Carr. --- Founders Notes gives you the superpower to learn from history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. You can search all my notes and highlights from every book I've ever read for the podcast. Get access to Founders Notes here. --- (8:00) Principles Jeff Bezos would repeat: customer obsession, innovation, frugality, personal ownership, bias for action, high standards. (10:30) Single threaded leadership: For each project, there is a single leader whose focus is that project and that project alone, and that leader oversees teams of people whose attention is focused on that one project. (11:00) The best thing I did as a manager at PayPal was to make every person in the company responsible for doing just one thing. Every employee’s one thing was unique, and everyone knew I would evaluate him only on that one thing. I had started doing this just to simplify the task of managing people. But then I noticed a deeper result: defining roles reduced conflict. — Zero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Futureby Peter Thiel. (Founders #278) (12:30) Jeff said many times: We need to eliminate communication, not encourage it. Communication is a sign of dysfunction. (14:30) Jeff is insisted that instead of finding new and better ways to manage our dependencies, we figure out how to remove them. (15:30) Jeff on decision making speed: “Most decisions should probably be made with somewhere around 70% of the information you wish you had. If you wait for 90%, in most cases, you're probably being slow. Plus, either way, you need to be good at quickly recognizing and correcting bad decisions. If you're good at course correcting, being wrong may be less costly than you think, whereas being slow is going to be expensive for sure." (16:30) The best way to fail at inventing something is by making it somebody's part-time job. (21:00) Even though you cannot hear it, with a well-written narrative there is a massive amount of useful information that is being transferred in those 20 minutes. (23:00) A simple tip on how to produce unique insights: Jeff has an uncanny ability to read a narrative and consistently arrive at insights that no one else did, even though we were all reading the same narrative. After one meeting, I asked him how he was able to do that. He responded with a simple and useful tip that I have not forgotten: he assumes each sentence he reads is wrong until he can prove otherwise. He's challenging the content of the sentence, not the motive of the writer. Jeff was usually among the last to finish reading. (26:30) Jeff wanted to know exactly what we were going to build and how it would be better for customers. To Jeff a half-baked mockup was evidence of half-baked thinking. (27:00) Founders force the issue. (28:00) Writing required us to be thorough and precise. We had to describe features, pricing, how the service would work, why customers would want it. Half baked thinking was harder to disguise on the written page than in PowerPoint slides. (34:30) Failure and invention are inseparable twins. (35:30) Working backwards exposes skill sets that your company needs but does not yet have. (36:30) Differentiation with customers is often one of the key reasons to invent. (44:00) To read Bezos’ shareholder letters is to get a crash course in running a high-growth internet business from someone who mastered it before any of the playbooks were written. (46:00) The idea that Amazon, a pure e-commerce distributor of retail products made by others, would become a hardware company and make and sell its own reader device was controversial. (46:00) If you outsource then your company doesn’t acquire those skills. Amazon wants the skills. (54:00) Jeff wanted to build a moat around his best customers. (58:00) We had acquired a core competency only a few other companies could match. List of Jeff Bezos episodes to learn more: #282 Jeff Bezos shareholder letters #180 Jeff Bezos (Invention of a Global Empire) #179 Jeff Bezos (Everything Store) #155 Jeff Bezos (Invent and Wander) #71 Jeff Bezos Shareholder Letters #38 Space Barons #17 Jeff Bezos (Everything Store) ---- Founders Notes gives you the superpower to learn from history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. You can search all my notes and highlights from every book I've ever read for the podcast. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested, so my poor wallet suffers.” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Working Backwards, Insights, Stories, and Secrets from Inside Amazon
Colin Breyer and Bill Carr

The host mentions 'Working Backwards' to illustrate the importance of high standards in Amazon's culture, as exemplif…

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The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint, Pitching Out Corrupts Within
Edward Tuft

The host discusses how Jeff Bezos and his team shifted from using PowerPoint to written narratives for presentations,…

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Space Barons

The host emphasizes the importance of the book 'Space Barons' in understanding the contrasting approaches of Jeff Bez…

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Invent and Wander
Jeff Bezos

The host emphasizes the importance of the insights gained from Jeff Bezos' book 'Invent and Wander' in relation to pr…

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Zero to One
Peter Thiel

The host discusses the concept of single-threaded leadership as a solution to bureaucratic drag in companies, highlig…

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Working With Steve Jobs

The host emphasizes the importance of understanding unique product development and innovation, which is a central the…

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The Everything Store
Jeff Bezos

The host mentions 'The Everything Store' to highlight Jeff Bezos' strategic thinking and decision-making process rega…

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The Kindle chapter

The host discusses how Amazon's approach to product development, particularly with the Kindle, was transformed by wri…

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  • Related interests include Business leaders and entrepreneurs and Business leaders and executives.

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Working Backwards, Insights, Stories, and Secrets from Inside Amazon cover
Best for Business leaders and entrepreneursOften cited around high standards at Amazon

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The book discusses the unique principles and processes at Amazon, providing insights into working with Jeff Bezos.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business leaders and entrepreneurs
Indexed context: This is the second time I've read this book, and I think this book is actually perfect to giving you an idea of what it was like working with Jeff Bezos.
The host mentions 'Working Backwards' to illustrate the importance of high standards in Amazon's culture, as exemplified by Jeff Bezos. The book provides insights into the principles and processes that shaped Amazon, making it a valuable resource for understanding the company's success.
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The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint, Pitching Out Corrupts Within cover
Best for Business leaders and executivesOften cited around PowerPoint presentations at Amazon

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An essay that critiques PowerPoint presentations and suggests using written narratives for better communication.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business leaders and executives
Indexed context: PowerPoint-style presentations somehow give permission to gloss over ideas, to flatten out any sense of relative importance, and to ignore the interconnectedness of ideas.
The host discusses how Jeff Bezos and his team shifted from using PowerPoint to written narratives for presentations, inspired by Edward Tuft's insights. This change was aimed at enhancing clarity and depth of thought in their meetings, highlighting the importance of effective communication.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and tech enthusiastsOften cited around Jeff Bezos and Space Barons

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Episode 38, Space Barons, which goes into the difference between the way Jeff is building his rocket company and Elon is building his.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and tech enthusiasts
Indexed context: Absolutely no-brainer to buy this book.
The host emphasizes the importance of the book 'Space Barons' in understanding the contrasting approaches of Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk in the space industry. He suggests that the insights from the book are valuable enough to warrant revisiting it multiple times in the future.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and technology professionalsOften cited around AWS product development

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Episode 155, Jeff Bezos' Invent and Wander.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and technology professionals
Indexed context: No-brainer. Absolutely no-brainer to buy this book.
The host emphasizes the importance of the insights gained from Jeff Bezos' book 'Invent and Wander' in relation to product development at AWS. He believes that the book provides valuable lessons that can benefit both individuals and teams in understanding innovation and infrastructure.
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Zero to One
Peter Thiel
Best for Managers and business leadersOften cited around single-threaded leadership

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The book discusses the importance of having each employee focus on one thing, which relates to Amazon's leadership model.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Managers and business leaders
Indexed context: I saw a very similar idea in Peter Thiel's book, Zero to One.
The host discusses the concept of single-threaded leadership as a solution to bureaucratic drag in companies, highlighting its importance in fostering speed and innovation. They reference Peter Thiel's book 'Zero to One' to emphasize the effectiveness of assigning unique responsibilities to each employee to streamline management and enhance productivity.
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Best for Professionals and teams interested in innovationOften cited around Steve Jobs insights

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It's called Working With Steve Jobs. It's number 281.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Professionals and teams interested in innovation
Indexed context: No-brainer. Absolutely no-brainer to buy this book.
The host emphasizes the importance of understanding unique product development and innovation, which is a central theme in 'Working With Steve Jobs.' They believe this book provides valuable insights that can benefit individuals and teams in their professional journeys.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around Amazon's strategic decisions

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Episode 179, Jeff Bezos' The Everything Store.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Indexed context: If you've ever read the Everything Store, it's talked about a bunch in there, the fact that Jeff met with Costco founder, Jim Sinegal, and the meeting changed the trajectory of Amazon.
The host mentions 'The Everything Store' to highlight Jeff Bezos' strategic thinking and decision-making process regarding the Kindle and Amazon Prime. The book illustrates how Bezos' willingness to invest in long-term projects and learn from others shaped Amazon's trajectory.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and product developersOften cited around Amazon product development process

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The Kindle chapter in this book is incredible. I'm still in it. Noted that myself, I wrote in the margin actually.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and product developers
Indexed context: We focused instead on what would be great for customers.
The host discusses how Amazon's approach to product development, particularly with the Kindle, was transformed by writing press releases before creating products. This method shifted the focus from company needs to customer experience, highlighting the importance of thoroughness and precision in product narratives.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and product developersOften cited around Jeff Bezos's approach

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Episode 17, Jeff Bezos' The First Time I did an episode on him.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and product developers
Indexed context: To Jeff, a half-baked mock-up was evidence of half-baked thinking.
The host discusses how Jeff Bezos's insistence on detailed mock-ups and narrative documents transformed the product development process at Amazon. This methodology is highlighted in the book 'The First Time,' showcasing the importance of thoroughness in innovation.
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Working Backwards, Insights, Stories, and Secrets from Inside Amazon
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Indexed context: The host mentions 'Working Backwards' to illustrate the importance of high standards in Amazon's culture, as exemplified by Jeff Bezos. The book prov…
The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint, Pitching Out Corrupts Within
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Indexed context: The host discusses how Jeff Bezos and his team shifted from using PowerPoint to written narratives for presentations, inspired by Edward Tuft's insig…
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Working Backwards, Insights, Stories, and Secrets from Inside Amazon cover
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Working Backwards, Insights, Stories, and Secrets from Inside Amazon
Colin Breyer and Bill Carr

The host mentions 'Working Backwards' to illustrate the importance of high standards in Amazon's culture, as exemplified by Jeff Bezos. The book pr…

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The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint, Pitching Out Corrupts Within
Edward Tuft

The host discusses how Jeff Bezos and his team shifted from using PowerPoint to written narratives for presentations, inspired by Edward Tuft's ins…

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Space Barons

The host emphasizes the importance of the book 'Space Barons' in understanding the contrasting approaches of Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk in the space…

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The Aviator

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Jeff asked Steve if he had ever seen the movie The Aviator, the story of Howard Hughes, the business tycoon, aviator, and film director.