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#121 Billy Durant and Alfred Sloan (General Motors)

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Notable books mentioned: Billy, Alfred, and General Motors by William Pelfrey, autobiography by Ed Thorpe, the biography of Durant, My Years with General Motors

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William Pelfrey

The host emphasizes the contrasting yet intertwined lives of Billy Durant and Alfred Sloan, highlighting their significant impacts on General Motor…

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Ed Thorpe

The host mentions the autobiography of Alfred Sloan to highlight the contrasting legacies of Sloan and Billy Durant in the automotive industry. Thi…

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the biography of Durant

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What I learned from reading Billy, Alfred, and General Motors: The Story of Two Unique Men, A Legendary Company, and a Remarkable Time in American History by William Pelfrey. ---- [0:01] They were oil and water in all respects. Billy Durant, the high school dropout, was the flamboyant dreamer and gambler, focused on personal relationships and risk. Alfred Sloan, the MIT engineer, was the stern organizer and manager, focused on data, logic, and profit. [4:40] The paradox of this book in two sentences: Sloan’s most constant criticism of Durant was that he acted on instinct and whim rather than facts. Yet the achievements and decisions of Durant the dreamer were what made Sloan the manager’s spectacular career possible. [6:50] Alfred Sloan telling us it is a lot harder to stay successful over a long period of time: “The perpetuation of an unusual success or the maintenance of an unusually high standard of leadership in any industry is sometimes more difficult than the attainment of that success or leadership in the first place.” [10:45] Walter Chrysler left the highest paying job in the entire automobile industry because of Billy Durant’s wasted his time: More than once, Chrysler had been summoned by Durant only to be kept waiting then to discover that the urgent matter that needed to be discussed was nothing that couldn’t have been resolved quickly at the plant level rather than wasting top management’s time and brainpower. [12:52] Sloan believed Billy Durant had no right to be distracted by the financial markets while Durant was supposed to be running General Motors: Sometimes I used to feel as if he were always holding a telephone in his hand. I think there were twenty telephones in his private office and a switchboard. He had private wires to brokers’ offices across the continent. In the same minute, he would buy in San Francisco, sell in Boston. It did not seem to me that the operating head of a corporation had any right to devote himself to the market, even if the stock of the corporation was involved. [17:13] Billy Durant will remind you that everything is possible: What was it in Billy’s genes and character that had led the high school dropout from rural Michigan to even dream of building an empire that would change the world? [20:30] Billy Durant would tell you to control the things that are important to your business: Billy Durant would never forget the bitter lesson of what he saw as Paterson’s treachery: Always control your own production and, whenever possible, all of the links in the supply chain. [23:05] Unlike Durant, Alfred Sloan had a singular focus. His singular focus was General Motors: By the early 1930s, Alfred Sloan was widely considered to be one of the richest men in the world, but he had no known hobbies and had never sold a single share of General Motors stock. His only known investment of either time or money in anything beyond the domain of General Motors was the purchase of a yacht at the urging of friends and his wife. [26:37] There are ideas worth billions in a $30 history book: In Henry Singleton’s case that is literally true. Reading Sloan’s book had a multiple billion dollar effect on the outcome of Teledyne. [29:04] Sloan would not tolerate any excuses: Sloan is kinda like Yoda. Do or do not. There is no try. [29:48] A key ideological difference between Alfred Sloan and Billy Durant was how growth should be financed: What Alfred didn’t mention in his letter was that Hyatt’s growth had come from reinvestment of the company’s own profits, rather than the acquisition and stock market strategy mastered by Billy Durant. A divergence of fundamental strategy that would be at the core of the General Motors crisis and showdown of 1920. [31:12] An important lesson from history is that new and important industries can start out looking like toys: In 1899 the automobile industry in America was no more than the strange and wild obsession of a few tinkerers and an amusing diversion for the wealthy investors who backed them. Cars were still widely considered impractical toys and dangerous nuisances by most people. [34:35] Alfred Sloan admired and copied Henry Leland, founder of Cadillac and Lincoln: Of all the American automobile industry’s unique and colorful characters, the one whom Alfred Sloan most admired and emulated was Henry Leland. Leland was a perfectionist who expected and demanded higher standards than any of his peers. He accepted no excuses and suffered no fools. Sloan devoted more words and detail to what he learned from Leland than he did any other person. [45:55] Alfred Sloan on why vertical integration was so important in the automobile industry: Every piece of the motor car is essential in the sense that the automobile is not complete unless every part is available. Delay in delivery of any part stops the work. A dependable supply of parts might well make the difference between success and failure. [48:08] Henry Ford's ONE idea was different from every other automobile manufacturer: He was determined to concentrate on the low end of the market, where he believed that high volume would drive costs down and at the same time feed even more demand for the product. It was a fundamental difference in philosophy. [49:35] Comparing and contrasting Billy Durant and Alfred Sloan’s approach to growth: For him, the thrill was always in the next deal, not in the nuts and bolts of daily operations. In his mind, empires were built by conquest, not through internal growth. And the road to conquest was through other people’s money and other people’s confidence in his genius, rather than the quiet, conservative road of knowing the fundamentals of manufacturing and marketing, as was followed by the likes of Henry Leland and Alfred P. Sloan. [56:05] Why Innovation is so important. We must arm the rebels! The automobile sparked not only the great oil boom it also sparked innovations in petroleum refining and metal alloys that led to further innovation in chemicals. It also spawned the motel industry as well as gasoline retailing. Thanks solely to the demand for gasoline to run the internal combustion engine automobile, crude oil production in the United States soared.The first gasoline pump appeared in 1905. By 1915, Standard Oil had developed the first chain of gasoline service stations. In 1916, the federal government began funding the interstate highway system. Ten years later, motels and road side restaurants were common in every state. Thanks to Henry Ford’s Model T, Billy Durant’s vision of a nation transformed by the automobile had become a reality. [57:47] When most of your revenue comes from one or two major customers you are fragile. Or Why Alfred Sloan sold Hyatt Roller Bearing to Billy Durant: The problem for Alfred and his peers was that, compared with the manufacturers, the suppliers’ pockets were not nearly as deep. Expanding their production capacity meant investment in new plant and equipment, but there was no guarantee that the boom would continue once these commitments were made. Nor was there any guarantee from the manufacturers that they would not shift to a different supplier with lower cost at some point in the future, leaving Supplier A stuck with both excess capacity and the cost of the original expansion. [1:14:23] How Alred Sloan positioned General Motors product line: Sloan developed a product strategy targeted at buyers’ specific aspirations. Its essence was to divide the market into price segments and offer cars with the most appeal and value in each segment. Sloan called it “a car for every purse and purpose.” No General Motors vehicle division or brand would compete against any other in any of the segments; each was to have a distinct identity and appeal to a distinct buyer. [1:15:10] David Ogilvy on positioning your product: Now consider how you want to ‘position’ your product. This curious verb is in great favor among marketing experts, but no two of them agree what it means. My own definition is ‘what the product does, and who it is for.’ I could have positioned Dove as a detergent bar for men with dirty hands, but chose instead to position it as a toilet bar for women with dry skin. This is still working 25 years later. [1:16:48] Alfred Sloan —like Sam Walton—made it a priority to visit dealers: I made it a practice throughout the 1920s and early thirties to make personal visits to dealers. I went into almost every city in the United States, visiting from five to ten dealers a day. I would meet them in their own places of business, talk with them across their own desks in their closing rooms and ask them for suggestions and criticism concerning their relations with the corporation, the character of the product, the corporation’s policies, the trend of consumer demand, their view of the future, and many other things of interest in the business. I made careful notes of all the points that came up, and when I got back home I studied them. [1:20:46] Billy Durant’s metaphor on the difference between him and Alfred Sloan: But, you see, this infantry captain didn’t have the disadvantage of a West Point education and he didn’t know he couldn’t do it, so he just went ahead and did it anyway. ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Best for Business historians and automotive industry enthusiastsOften cited around Billy Durant and Alfred Sloan

This book compares and contrasts both Billy Durant and Alfred Sloan, exploring their unique contributions to General Motors and their legacies in American history.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Business historians and automotive industry enthusiasts
Key quote: So you can't really study Billy Durant if you don't also study the life and career of Alfred Sloan.
The host emphasizes the contrasting yet intertwined lives of Billy Durant and Alfred Sloan, highlighting their significant impacts on General Motors. The mention of the book serves to illustrate the importance of understanding both figures to grasp the full history of the company.
ASIN: B00ENL0NOA
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autobiography
Ed Thorpe
Best for Listeners interested in automotive history and business leadershipOften cited around biographies of automobile founders

He warned us explicitly, in his autobiography, he says you must avoid ruin at all costs. You don't take risk. If there isn't a tiny, tiny probability of it ruining you, you don't do that.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Listeners interested in automotive history and business leadership
Key quote: Next week, I'm going to analyze and review the autobiography of Alfred Sloan.
The host mentions the autobiography of Alfred Sloan to highlight the contrasting legacies of Sloan and Billy Durant in the automotive industry. This book is part of a series where the host explores the lives of influential figures in the early automobile sector.
ASIN: 1640957022
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Best for Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and leadershipOften cited around leadership and management styles

The speaker mentions a book that adds context not found in the biography of Durant, which was covered last week.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and leadership
Key quote: In the end, Billy Durant was perhaps not only the most forgotten, but the most enigmatic of the 20th century's greatest entrepreneurs and innovators.
The host mentions 'the biography of Durant' to provide additional context about Billy Durant's personality and decision-making. This exploration helps to understand the contrasting leadership styles between Durant and Sloan, highlighting the complexities of their characters.
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Best for Aspiring corporate leaders and business studentsOften cited around Alfred Sloan's leadership style

Next week's book is 'My Years with General Motors', which became an immediate bestseller and a manual for up-and-coming corporate leaders.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Aspiring corporate leaders and business students
Key quote: It became an immediate bestseller and a manual for up-and-coming would-be corporate leaders.
The host mentions 'My Years with General Motors' to highlight its significance as a manual for aspiring corporate leaders. The book provides insights into Sloan's singular focus on General Motors, which influenced many future business leaders, including Henry Singleton.
ASIN: 0385042353
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Best for Managers and leaders in creative industriesOften cited around standards in production

The speaker references Ed Catmull's book, discussing a story about the US government's response to the Soviet Union's success in the space race and how it influenced Catmull's life.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Managers and leaders in creative industries
Key quote: Sloan's reaction to getting dressed down by Leland is exactly right.
The host mentions 'Creativity, Inc.' to highlight how Ed Catmull learned the importance of raising standards in response to challenges. This lesson parallels the experience of Sloan, who realized the need for precision after a difficult encounter with Leland.
ASIN: B09W2VSMCL
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Best for Individuals interested in automotive history and business leadershipOften cited around Billy Durant and Alfred Sloan

The book is primarily about Billy Durant and Alfred Sloan, and it mentions Ford 450 times, highlighting its significance in the early automobile industry.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in automotive history and business leadership
Key quote: So this book compares and contrasts both of them and I think it's a really good book.
The host mentions the book to highlight the contrasting lives and careers of Billy Durant and Alfred Sloan, emphasizing their significant impact on General Motors. This book provides valuable insights into their personalities and the historical context of the automotive industry.
ASIN: B0088L58X2
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Best for Business leaders and aspiring CEOsOften cited around Sloan's management strategies

The book is referred to as the Bible for the General Motors team and thousands of companies and would-be CEOs, highlighting its importance.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business leaders and aspiring CEOs
Key quote: The Bible, not only for the General Motors team, but thousands of companies and thousands more of would-be CEOs.
The host mentions 'The Bible' to highlight its significant influence on General Motors' management practices under Alfred Sloan. The book is noted for its detailed exploration of decentralized operations and the importance of professional management in corporate success.
ASIN: 0785215417
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Best for Marketing professionals and business strategistsOften cited around product positioning in marketing

The excerpt mentions a quote from David Olgovie's book on advertising, discussing product positioning.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Marketing professionals and business strategists
Key quote: Now consider how you want to position your product.
The host mentions 'Olgovie on Advertising' to illustrate the concept of product positioning, which is crucial for effective marketing strategies. By comparing David Olgovie's insights with Alfred Sloan's approach at General Motors, the host emphasizes the importance of understanding consumer aspirations in product development.
ASIN: 039472903X
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