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#256 Edward L. Bernays (Public Relations, Advertising, & Persuasion)

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#256 Edward L. Bernays (Public Relations, Advertising, & Persuasion) mentions The Father of Spin by Larry Tai, Ogilvie on Advertising, Titan by Ron Chernow, and Shoe Dog by Phil Knight with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

3 books from this episode

This volume seeks to unmask the man himself.

I highly recommend buying that book.

Titan
Ron Chernow

This reminded me of Rockefeller buying companies through front businesses.

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What I learned from reading The Father of Spin: Edward L. Bernays and the Birth of Public Relations by Larry Tye. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- [0:54] The very substance of American thought was mere clay to be molded by the savvy public relations practitioner. [1:48] Bernays saved every scrap of paper he sent out or took in and provided them to be made public after his death. [4:15] The Fish That Ate the Whale: The Life and Times of America's Banana King by Rich Cohen. (Founders #255) [6:43] Thinking unconventionally, operating at the edge, and pushing the boundaries became his trademark over a career that lasted more than 80 years. [10:13] Problems are just opportunities in work clothes. [12:06] Eddie was convinced that understanding the instincts and symbols that motivate an individual could help him shape the behavior of the masses. [12:32] 1. Get hired to promote a product. 2. Attach that product to a cause that gives the consumption of that product a deeper meaning. 3. Use the cause to get a small newspaper/media organization to write about the product. 4. Use that media to get larger media to promote the cause indirectly promoting your product. [15:36] Set yourself to becoming the best-informed person in the agency on the account to which you are assigned. If, for example, it is a gasoline account, read books on oil geology and the production of petroleum products. Read the trade journals in the field. Spend Saturday mornings in service stations, talking to motorists. Visit your client’s refineries and research laboratories. At the end of your first year, you will know more about the oil business than your boss. — Ogilvy on Advertising by David Ogilvy (Founders #82) [17:13] Humans love if other humans will do their work for them. [19:01] A lesson he is learning promoting: Public visibility had little to do with real value. [24:13] The Man Who Sold America: The Amazing (but True!) Story of Albert D. Lasker and the Creation of the Advertising Century by Jeffrey L. Cruikshank and Arthur W. Schultz (Founders #206) [24:35] He never, never, never, never has just one plan of attack. It is always many, many, attack vectors, relentlessly. [28:29] Shoe Dog: A Memoir by the Creator of Nike by Phil Knight. (Founders #186) [37:23] The outcome was one that most publicity men can only dream about. An irresistible script for a stunt flawlessly executed, covered in nearly every paper in America, with no one detecting the fingerprints of either Bernays or his tobacco company client. [38:18] John D: The Founding Father of the Rockefellers by David Freeman Hawke (Founders #254) and Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller by Ron Chernow (Founders #248) [44:15] His philosophy in each case was the same. Hired to sell a product or service, he instead sold whole new ways of behaving, which appeared obscure but over time repaid huge rewards for his clients. [44:26] The Dao of Capital: Austrian Investing in a Distorted World by Mark Spitznagel (Founders #70) [45:00] He was convinced that ordinary rules did not apply to him. He repeatedly proved that he could reshape reality. [45:21] The formula was simple: Bernays generated events, the events generated news, and the new generated a demand for whatever he happened to be selling. [48:47] In an era of mass communications modesty is a private virtue and a public fault. [52:45] The best defense against propaganda is more propaganda. [59:54] Advice to younger parents from Eddie’s wife: Be certain to keep a balance where that little girl is concerned. Be sure not to let her get lost in your busy life. (The little girl was 2 or 3 at the time) [1:09:14] He's like journalists, writers, media representatives, news anchors — You have something very valuable that I want —the attention of the public. If I can make your job easier, I am more likely to get some of that attention for my private interest. [1:14:55] I still earned fees until I was 95. [1:17:29] His children remained mystified as to how Eddie managed to die with so few assets. [1:17:37] Sometimes later in life Eddie told me that he hadn't spent his money wisely. It is the only time he ever told me that he regretted anything. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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The Father of Spin
Larry Tai

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Ogilvie on Advertising

The host mentions 'Ogilvie on Advertising' to highlight David Ogilvie's valuable insights on becoming well-informed i…

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Titan
Ron Chernow

The host discusses the relentless work ethic and strategies of Edward Bernays, as detailed in the book 'Titan.' This…

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Shoe Dog
Phil Knight

The host mentions 'Shoe Dog' to illustrate the importance of belief in selling products, contrasting Phil Knight's ge…

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The Dow of Capital
Mark Spitznagel

The host references 'The Dow of Capital' to illustrate the concept of indirect marketing strategies employed by Edwar…

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The Fish That Ate the Whale

The host mentions 'The Fish That Ate the Whale' to illustrate how Edward L. Bernays played a pivotal role in shaping…

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The Man Who Sold America
Jeffrey Krusenshank and Arthur Schultz

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  • Referenced books include The Father of Spin by Larry Tai and Ogilvie on Advertising.
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Students and professionals in public relations and communicationsYoung professionals and aspiring advertisersReaders interested in public relations and historical biographiesEntrepreneurs and marketersMarketing professionals and business strategistsReaders interested in public relations and historical case studies.

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Best for Students and professionals in public relations and communicationsOften cited around public relations history

This book uses Bernays' life as a prism to understand the evolution of the craft of public relations and how it came to play such a critical and sometimes insane, insidious role in American life.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Students and professionals in public relations and communications
Key quote: This volume seeks to unmask the man himself.
The host discusses Edward Bernays' significant influence on public relations and how his techniques shaped American consumer behavior and political campaigns. The book 'The Father of Spin' provides an in-depth exploration of Bernays' life and the evolution of public relations, highlighting both his achievements and contradictions.
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Best for Young professionals and aspiring advertisersOften cited around David Ogilvie's advertising advice

I read this book. It's Ogilvie on advertising. It's found in episode number 82. If you want to go back and listen to it, highly recommend buying that book.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Young professionals and aspiring advertisers
Key quote: I highly recommend buying that book.
The host mentions 'Ogilvie on Advertising' to highlight David Ogilvie's valuable insights on becoming well-informed in one's field. The book serves as a guide for young professionals to gather knowledge and apply it effectively in their careers.
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Titan
Ron Chernow
Best for Readers interested in public relations and historical biographiesOften cited around public relations pioneers

I just covered this most recently on 254, which was this very old biography of Rockefeller that I had never even discovered, heard of before, until I read the bibliography in the back of Titan.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in public relations and historical biographies
Key quote: This reminded me of Rockefeller buying companies through front businesses.
The host discusses the relentless work ethic and strategies of Edward Bernays, as detailed in the book 'Titan.' This mention serves to highlight the intricate connections between Bernays and his employer, Hill, in the context of public relations and media manipulation.
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Shoe Dog
Phil Knight
Best for Entrepreneurs and marketersOften cited around selling belief systems

I was just rereading highlights for shoe dog. When I read Phil Knight's biography in the early days of Nike, he could not understand why he was so successful at selling sneakers.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and marketers
Key quote: I was just rereading highlights for shoe dog when I read Phil Knight's biography in the early days of Nike, he could not understand why he was so successful at selling sneakers.
The host mentions 'Shoe Dog' to illustrate the importance of belief in selling products, contrasting Phil Knight's genuine passion for Nike with the manipulative tactics of Bernays in advertising cigarettes. Knight's realization that belief is irresistible serves as a critical lesson in authentic marketing.
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The Dow of Capital
Mark Spitznagel
Best for Marketing professionals and business strategistsOften cited around Bernays' marketing strategies

Back on Founders number 70, I read The Dow of Capital by Mark Spitznagel. That entire book is about the roundabout, indirection, circuitous.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Marketing professionals and business strategists
Key quote: That entire book is about the roundabout, indirection, circuitous.
The host references 'The Dow of Capital' to illustrate the concept of indirect marketing strategies employed by Edward Bernays. The book emphasizes the effectiveness of circuitous approaches in achieving business objectives, mirroring Bernays' unconventional methods.
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The Fish That Ate the Whale cover
Best for Readers interested in public relations and historical case studies.Often cited around Edward L. Bernays

Last week on episode 255, when I was studying the life of Sam Zamuri in the book The Fish That Ate the Whale, Bernays is a character that pops up later in Sam Zamuri's career.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in public relations and historical case studies.
Key quote: Zamuri actually hires Bernays when he's the president of the whale, which is the United Fruit, and Bernays' job was to get the U.S. government involved, and the CIA specifically, so they could overthrow what turned out to be a hostile government of Guatemala that was threatening to take away assets of the United Fruit Company.
The host mentions 'The Fish That Ate the Whale' to illustrate how Edward L. Bernays played a pivotal role in shaping public relations during a critical period in history. This book provides insights into Bernays' unconventional strategies and his influence on corporate interests and government actions.
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The Man Who Sold America
Jeffrey Krusenshank and Arthur Schultz
Best for Marketing professionals and students of advertising historyOften cited around history of marketing cigarettes

who you and I talked about on episode 206 in that fantastic biography of Albert Lasker called the man who sold America.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Marketing professionals and students of advertising history
Key quote: Hill Bernays recalled later became obsessed by the prospect of winning over the large potential female market for his brand called lucky strike.
The host discusses the innovative marketing strategies employed by Edward Bernays for the American Tobacco Company, particularly targeting women. The mention of 'The Man Who Sold America' highlights the significance of Albert Lasker's role in shaping modern advertising practices.
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This volume seeks to unmask the man himself.
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I highly recommend buying that book.
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This reminded me of Rockefeller buying companies through front businesses.
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The Father of Spin
Larry Tai

The host discusses Edward Bernays' significant influence on public relations and how his techniques shaped American consumer behavior and political…

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Ogilvie on Advertising

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Titan
Ron Chernow

The host discusses the relentless work ethic and strategies of Edward Bernays, as detailed in the book 'Titan.' This mention serves to highlight th…

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