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#284 Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick

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#284 Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick mentions Meet You in Hell, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Clay Frick, and the Bitter Partnership that Transformed America by Les Staniford, the autobiography of by Andrew Carnegie, and Hard Drive with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Tell him I'll see him in hell, where we're both going.

the autobiography of
Andrew Carnegie

I was actually reading three books at the same time.

It's called Hard Drive, it's episode 140.

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What I learned from rereading Meet You in Hell: Andrew Carnegie, Henry Clay Frick, and the Bitter Partnership That Changed America by Les Standiford. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders by investing in a subscription to Founders Notes ---- Follow one of my favorite podcasts Invest Like The Best and check out these great episodes: #137 Bill Gurley: All Things Business and Investing#88 Sam Hinkie: Data, Decisions, and Basketball#204 Sam Hinkie: Find Your People — [0:01] Frick had been the man Carnegie trusted above all others to manage the affairs of Carnegie Steel. [2:00] Carnegie had delegated the job of holding the line on wages and other demands to Frick—a Patton to Carnegie's FDR. [3:00] The Autobiography of Andrew Carnegie by Andrew Carnegie. (Founders #283) [5:00] Here's a starter pack of essentials for Day 1 defense: customer obsession, a skeptical view of proxies, the eager adoption of external trends, and high-velocity decision making. —Jeff Bezos’s Shareholder Letters (Founders #282) [7:00] In less than half a century the United States had been transformed―from a largely agrarian and underdeveloped federation of competing interests, to a relatively cohesive economic juggernaut. The age of the Founding Fathers was over. The Age of the Titans had begun. [12:00] By 1863 Carnegie was earning more than $45,000 a year from this and all his other investments, compared with a mere $2,400 from his railroad salary. Yet he understood that it was the contacts he made and the information he derived from his association with the railroad that made everything else possible. [13:00] More control. Less costs. More profit. [15:00] Technology is just a better way to do something: As a result of the process for transforming iron to steel that bore his name (Bessemer), a quantity of steel that might formerly have taken as long as two weeks to produce could now be made in fifteen minutes. [17:00] Carnegie starts his company during a financial panic. The best time to expand is when no one else dares to take the risk. [20:00] Already the best but still wants to do better: Even his key employees were not spared Carnegie's heavy-handed management style. To almost every positive report Carnegie's response was "Good, but let us do better." [21:00] Cut the prices, scoop the market, watch the costs, and the profits will take care of themselves. [21:00] Hard Drive: Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire by James Wallace and Jim Erickson (Founders #140) [22:00] He could make steel more efficiently than any of them. [24:00] Henry Clay Frick: The Life of the Perfect Capitalist by Quentin Skrabec Jr. (Founders #75) [24:00] Like Rockefeller, Henry Clay Frick used a lot of borrowed money to get his start in the coke business. There was a line in one of Rockefeller’s biographies where it said “he was the greatest borrower I’ve ever seen.” [26:00] Frick knew his business down to the ground. [26:00] LIke Carnegie, Frick expands his business during an economic panic. Frick, who would later recall this as one of the most grueling times in his life, proved as undaunted in the face of adversity as Carnegie had been. [34:00] Carneige was accustomed to obedience from his subordinates, but if he expected unquestioned subservience from Henry Frick, he had gravely miscalculated. [36:00] Frick was no puppet, but rather a man willing to take considerable risks in defense of his principles. [37:00] Frick had ambition, a singleness of purpose, and a lack of self—doubt that even Carneige envied. [38:00] Carnegie would repeat the mantra time and again: profits and prices were cyclical, subject to any number of transient forces of the marketplace. Costs, however, could be strictly controlled, and in Carnegie’s view, any savings achieved in the costs of goods were permanent. [39:00] On this issue the two men were of one mind. Frick had made his way in coke by the same reckoning that Carnegie had in rail and steel: if you knew your costs down to the penny, you were always on firm ground. [39:00] Frick had always understood how essential new technologies were in driving costs down. Cost control became nearly an obsession. [47:00] [Frick was shot] Only after he was finished with his day’s work did Frick permit himself to be carried from the office to an ambulance. [49:00] You must not allow anything to discourage you in the least. Even if things do not go well for some time to come, or even if they should get much worse. Just keep at it, doing the best you can. Do not allow the fact that you are not getting along as well as you would like to lead you to put yourself in a compromising position. [1:03:00] Empires of Light: Edison, Tesla, Westinghouse, and the Race to Electrify the World by Jill Jonnes. (Founders #83) [1:04:00] J.P. Morgan understood the folly of a long-term battle with the Carnegie Company, a firm that controlled its own sources of raw materials, transport, and manufacture, and that was far more deeply capitalized than his or any other of the upstarts. They might stay in the game for a while, and they might put a dent in Carnegie's armor, but in the end, Carnegie would run them into the ground, every one. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders by investing in a subscription to Founders Notes ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Meet You in Hell, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Clay Frick, and the Bitter Partnership that Transformed America
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Meet You in Hell, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Clay Frick, and the Bitter Partnership that Transformed America cover
Best for Readers interested in American industrial history and biographies of influential figures.Often cited around Carnegie and Frick rivalry

The speaker discusses the book 'Meet You in Hell' which covers the relationship between Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick, highlighting their partnership and its impact on America.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in American industrial history and biographies of influential figures.
Key quote: Tell him I'll see him in hell, where we're both going.
The host mentions the book to provide context about the intense rivalry between Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick, highlighting their complex relationship and the impact it had on American industry. The discussion emphasizes the significance of steel during a transformative period in America, which is central to the book's narrative.
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the autobiography of
Andrew Carnegie
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The speaker mentions rereading highlights from the autobiography of Andrew Carnegie to prepare for a podcast episode.

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For: Listeners interested in American history and business
Key quote: I was actually reading three books at the same time.
The host mentions 'The Autobiography of Andrew Carnegie' to provide context for the discussion on Carnegie's impact and his relationship with Henry Clay Frick. This book serves as a foundation for understanding the complexities of Carnegie's character and business dealings during a transformative period in American history.
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It's called Hard Drive, it's episode 140. I'm gonna reread the book soon.

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Key quote: It's called Hard Drive, it's episode 140.
The host mentions 'Hard Drive' to highlight the early business practices of Bill Gates, drawing parallels between Gates' salesmanship and Carnegie's cost-cutting strategies. This biography provides insights into the relentless pursuit of efficiency and market dominance in the tech industry, similar to historical figures in steel manufacturing.
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Meet You in Hell, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Clay Frick, and the Bitter Partnership that Transformed America
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Tell him I'll see him in hell, where we're both going.
the autobiography of
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I was actually reading three books at the same time.
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It's called Hard Drive, it's episode 140.
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Meet You in Hell, Andrew Carnegie, Henry Clay Frick, and the Bitter Partnership that Transformed America
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The host mentions the book to provide context about the intense rivalry between Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick, highlighting their complex re…

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the autobiography of cover
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the autobiography of
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The host mentions 'The Autobiography of Andrew Carnegie' to provide context for the discussion on Carnegie's impact and his relationship with Henry…

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Hard Drive

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