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#254 John D. Rockefeller: The Founding Father of the Rockefellers

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#254 John D. Rockefeller: The Founding Father of the Rockefellers mentions John Dee, the founding father of the Rockefellers by David Freeman Hawke, Titan by Ron Chernow, The Everything Store by Brad Stone, and biography of Bill Gates with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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The reason I'm telling you all this is because I'm going to make the case today that you should actually read this book.

Titan
Ron Chernow

The reason I'm telling you all this is because I'm going to make the case today that you should actually read this book before reading Titan.

One of Jeff's maxims that he'd repeat over and over again is that you need to think like an owner.

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What I learned from reading John D: The Founding Father of the Rockefellers by David Freeman Hawke. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- [0:07] He transmitted messages in code and secrecy covered all of his operations. [0:39] Rockefeller compared himself to Napoleon. [2:20] He could think quicker and along more individual and original lines than any of them. [2:35] It is always hard to successfully control what you don't understand. [3:32] Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller by Ron Chernow. (Founders #248) [7:27] By the time I was a man — long before it —I had learned the underlying principles of business and the rules of business as well as many men acquire them by the time they are 40. I needed no one to advise me about the nature of transactions with which I had been carrying on since childhood. [8:59] Random Reminiscences of Men and Events by John D. Rockefeller. (Founders #148) [10:55] You should try to expose yourself to experiences that are slightly ahead of your skillset or understanding and you should do so constantly. [13:48] A veteran of long-distance provider MCI, Price came to Amazon in 1999. He blundered early by suggesting in a meeting that Amazon executives who traveled frequently should be permitted to fly business-class. Bezos often said he wanted his colleagues to speak their minds, but at times it seemed he did not appreciate being personally challenged. “You would have thought I was trying to stop the Earth from tilting on its axis,” Price says, recalling that moment with horror years later. “Jeff slammed his hand on the table and said, ‘That is not how an owner thinks! That’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever heard.’ — The Everything Store: Jeff Bezos and the Age of Amazon by Brad Stone (Founders #179) [18:42] He saw that posted rates, supposedly fixed, could also be negotiated. All was not as it seemed on the outside. [20:45] He was the greatest borrower I ever saw. [22:12] What if the president of a bank refused to make me a loan? That was nothing. That made no difference to me; simply meant that I must look elsewhere until I got what I wanted. [26:07] Hard Drive: Bill Gates and the Making of the Microsoft Empire by James Wallace and Jim Erickson (Founders #140) [26:41] Lost from view is the Rockefeller that Cleveland knew in the 1860s— a vigorous, alert gentleman with a quiet, but extraordinary personality. [29:10] Small egos do not build giant companies. [30:23] When Money Was In Fashion: Henry Goldman, Goldman Sachs, and the Founding of Wall Street by June Breton Fisher. (Founders #255) [33:10] The customer-experience path we've chosen requires us to have an efficient cost structure. The good news for shareowners is that we see much opportunity for improvement in that regard. Everywhere we look we find what experienced Japanese manufacturers would call muda, or waste.* I find this incredibly energizing. I see it as potential-years and years of variable and fixed productivity gains and more efficient, higher velocity, more flexible capital expenditures. — Invent and Wander: The Collected Writings of Jeff Bezos (Founders #155) [34:54] Other refiners groused about these restrictions, but in general they accepted them as facts to live with. Rockefeller refused to do so. [38:55] Last Train to Paradise: Henry Flagler and the Spectacular Rise and Fall of the Railroad that Crossed an Ocean by Les Standiford. (Founders #247) [40:15] You don’t want turnover on your core product team. Knowledge compounds. Don’t interrupt the compounding. — Softwar: An Intimate Portrait of Larry Ellison and Oracle by Matthew Symonds (Founders #124) [47:47] 1. You raise money so you can increase production. 2. Use your increased production to get better rates on transportation than other refiners. 3. Use your increased profits —because you have better transportation —to buy your competitors. 4. You continue to find secret sources of income. [55:23] Most simply doubted that Rockefeller's plan would work. John, it cannot be done, they said. [56:13] It was ruthless efficiency and hyper competence. [1:00:07] Rockefeller loves secret allies. [1:00:31] The secret ownership of other companies was so well preserved that often a refiner enraged by Standard’s ruthless tactics would refuse its offer to buy him out and sell instead to a local competitor—unaware that he had in fact sold out to Standard. [1:02:01] He believed that Standard Oil stock is the most valuable thing in the world to own and always bought more of it. [1:05:57] Check out how Rockefeller turns an expense into a profit center: Standard purchased a half interest in Chess, Carley & Company, the largest distributor of refined oil to the South and Southwest. Together they purchased a number of the newly introduced bulk tank cars. Chess-Carley shipped turpentine from southern pine forests to Cleveland, where the cars were emptied and the turpentine was sold in the local market. The tank cars were then filled with kerosene and sent back to Louisville for distribution. In a single swoop the huge expense of shipment by barrels had been eliminated. [1:09:22] He proceeded in the same steady, methodical way that a farmer plowed a field. [1:13:47] The danger Potts and the Pennsylvania railroad posed to his creation convinced Rockefeller that the time had come to pick a fight with the world's largest industrial corporation. [1:23:20] Rockefeller would have horse-drawn carriages drive up and down the streets and sell oil directly. [1:28:28] I think it is fair to say that the strong men who were competitors in the oil refining business, the aggressive men in the best financial condition, and the most intelligent, indeed the class of men who would be most likely to survive in the competitive struggle, were the men who were most likely to take up our idea of cooperation. [1:33:09] Dark Genius of Wall Street: The Misunderstood Life of Jay Gould, King of the Robber Barons by Edward J. Renehan Jr. [1:35:38] Jay Gould was the single most unsettling force ever to appear on the American industrial scene. [1:36:22] Among wheelers and dealers of his day Gould had no peer. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested, so my poor wallet suffers. ”— Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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John Dee, the founding father of the Rockefellers
David Freeman Hawke

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The Everything Store
Brad Stone

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biography of Bill Gates

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John Dee, the founding father of the Rockefellers cover
Best for Readers interested in business history and Rockefeller's influence.Often cited around Napoleon's business acumen

The speaker mentions a book about John Dee, the founding father of the Rockefellers, written by David Freeman Hawke, which they are going to discuss.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in business history and Rockefeller's influence.
Key quote: The reason I'm telling you all this is because I'm going to make the case today that you should actually read this book.
The host mentions 'John Dee, the founding father of the Rockefellers' to highlight its significance in understanding the origins of Rockefeller's business strategies. He suggests that this book provides foundational insights that complement the more popular biography 'Titan'.
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Titan
Ron Chernow
Best for Readers interested in business history and Rockefeller's influence.Often cited around biography of Rockefeller

The speaker refers to 'Titan' as the most popular biography of Rockefeller, which they reread before discussing the new book.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in business history and Rockefeller's influence.
Key quote: The reason I'm telling you all this is because I'm going to make the case today that you should actually read this book before reading Titan.
The host mentions 'Titan' as a foundational biography of Rockefeller that provides essential insights into his life and business strategies. They suggest that understanding this book is crucial before diving into other works about Rockefeller to grasp the origins of many ideas associated with him.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around Jeff Bezos and ownership

The speaker mentions 'The Everything Store' in relation to Jeff Bezos and discusses its significance in understanding business principles.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: One of Jeff's maxims that he'd repeat over and over again is that you need to think like an owner.
The host mentions 'The Everything Store' to highlight Jeff Bezos's philosophy of thinking like an owner, which is a recurring theme in his leadership style. This philosophy is illustrated through anecdotes from Bezos's early career at Amazon, emphasizing the importance of ownership mentality in business.
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biography of Bill Gates cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and aspiring foundersOften cited around founder dynamics and partnerships

It was the biography of Bill Gates from the first 35 years of his life. It ends on the day of the Microsoft IPO.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and aspiring founders
Key quote: The Bill Gates that built Microsoft was the guy that dressed like Mr. Rogers, but underneath that costume, he was Genghis Khan.
The host mentions the biography of Bill Gates to illustrate the complexities of founder relationships and the often unseen struggles behind a successful persona. This book provides insights into Gates' early life and the intense drive that shaped Microsoft, contrasting the public image with the reality of his character and approach.
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Invent and Wander: The Collected Writings of cover
Best for Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and innovationOften cited around Jeff Bezos's perspective on problems

The speaker mentions 'Invent and Wander' as a book that describes Jeff Bezos's excitement at problems, framing them as opportunities.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and innovation
Key quote: The speaker mentions 'Invent and Wander' as a book that describes Jeff Bezos's excitement at problems, framing them as opportunities.
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Soft War: An Intimate Portrait of Larry Ellison at Oracle cover
Best for Business leaders and entrepreneursOften cited around importance of core team

The speaker references 'Soft War' in relation to the importance of keeping a core team together in business.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Business leaders and entrepreneurs
Key quote: The importance of keeping a core team together in business.
The host mentions 'Soft War' to highlight the significance of maintaining a cohesive team within a business environment. This reference serves to illustrate the challenges and dynamics faced by leaders like Larry Ellison at Oracle.
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John Dee, the founding father of the Rockefellers
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The reason I'm telling you all this is because I'm going to make the case today that you should actually read this book.
Titan
Founders · 3:34
The reason I'm telling you all this is because I'm going to make the case today that you should actually read this book before reading Titan.
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One of Jeff's maxims that he'd repeat over and over again is that you need to think like an owner.
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John Dee, the founding father of the Rockefellers cover
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John Dee, the founding father of the Rockefellers
David Freeman Hawke

The host mentions 'John Dee, the founding father of the Rockefellers' to highlight its significance in understanding the origins of Rockefeller's b…

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Titan
Ron Chernow

The host mentions 'Titan' as a foundational biography of Rockefeller that provides essential insights into his life and business strategies. They s…

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The Everything Store
Brad Stone

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