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#235 Steve Jobs (The Pixar Story)

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#235 Steve Jobs (The Pixar Story) mentions Warning About the Difficulty of IPOs by Hal Vogel, Creativity Inc by Ed Catmull, Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing by Randall Stross, and Driven from Within by Michael Jordan with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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Companies that combine great story, technology breakthroughs, and seasoned management will lead the way into the future.

Creativity Inc
Ed Catmull

I highly recommend reading that book if you haven't done so already and definitely going back and listening to that podcast.

I think every entrepreneur should read it because it is all about the 13 years, it's Steve jobs, wilderness years.

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What I learned from reading To Pixar And Beyond: My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History by Lawrence Levy. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- [1:34] The Founders: The Story of Paypal and the Entrepreneurs Who Shaped Silicon Valley (Founders #233) [3:42] Creativity, Inc.: Overcoming the Unseen Forces That Stand in the Way of True Inspiration (Founders #34) [3:52] Readwise App [7:22] George Lucas: A Life (Founders #35) [7:48] Steve jobs had been a Silicon Valley's most visible celebrity but that made it all the more glaring that he had not had a hit in a long time —a very long time. [8:49] Steve Jobs and the NeXT Big Thing (Founders #77) [13:35] Why would I join a company that had been struggling for sixteen years and whose payroll was paid every month out of the personal checkbook of its owner? I had not realized how dire Pixar's financial situation was. It had no cash, no reserves, and it depended for its funds on the whim of a person whose reputation for volatility was legendary. [14:05] There is no a better advertisement than a demo. [15:57] Total Recall: My Unbelievably True Life Story (Founders #141) [16:03] There was nothing normal about me. My drive was not normal. My vision of where I wanted to go in life was not normal. The whole idea of a conventional existence was like Kryptonite to me. —Arnold [16:31] I looked at my start-up clients and to me they were on an adventure. I yearned for the kind of adventure they were on. [17:28] Mind Your Own Business: A Maverick's Guide to Business, Leadership and Life (Founders #229) [17:46] I regard myself as guardian of the company's soul. [19:06] Pixar has this amazing collection of talent doing work that no one has seen before. Now it's time to turn that into a business. —Steve Jobs [22:01] Steve had an almost permanent intensity about him, like he was always in top gear. [28:25] Pixar was embarked on a lonely courageous quest through terrain, into which neither it nor anyone else had ever ventured. [28:52] Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader (Founders #19) [31:37] Home video was turning animated feature films into big business. Bigger than we had ever imagined. [32:24] There was no modern precedent for taking an independent animation company public. [36:54] Look at the value of the major Hollywood studios and you'll see their library of films is really significant. [39:27] There was no part of Steve that bought into the idea of making products that might not all have a shot at greatness. [41:22] Made in Japan: Akio Morita and Sony (Founders #102) [48:40] Steve once told me that the gestation of great products takes much longer than it appears. What seems to emerge from nowhere belies a long process of development, trials, and missteps. [53:46] The problem with success, even a little success, is that it changes you. You are no longer walking along the same precipice that drove you to do great work in the first place. Success can take the edge away. [54:16] Creative vision does not spring forth fully formed. [59:33] Fear and ego conspire to rein in creativity, and it is easy to allow creative inspiration to take a back seat to safety. [1:01:38] The Billionaire and the Mechanic: How Larry Ellison and a Car Mechanic Teamed up to Win Sailing's Greatest Race, the Americas Cup, Twice (Founders #126) [1:06:41] Once Steve decided what he wanted in a negotiation, he developed something akin to a religious conviction about it. In his mind, if he didn't get what he wanted, nothing else would take its place, so he'd walk away. This made Steve an incredibly strong negotiator. [1:10:52] One never knows if an event that appears detrimental is in fact part of a larger pattern that we cannot see. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Warning About the Difficulty of IPOs
Hal Vogel

The host discusses the strategic considerations behind Pixar's IPO and highlights insights from Hal Vogel's book on t…

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Creativity Inc
Ed Catmull

The host mentions 'Creativity Inc' as a crucial resource for understanding Pixar's creative and production processes.…

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Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing
Randall Stross

The host mentions 'Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing' to highlight the struggles and failures Steve Jobs faced during…

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Driven from Within
Michael Jordan

The host mentions 'Driven from Within' to highlight the importance of listening and collaboration in leadership, as e…

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becoming Steve jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli

The host discusses the challenges and risks faced by Pixar during its early days, highlighting the importance of ment…

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Toy Story

The host mentions 'Toy Story' as the first computer-animated feature film to illustrate Pixar's groundbreaking achiev…

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The Billionaire and the Mechanic
Julian Guthrie

The host highlights a chapter from 'The Billionaire and the Mechanic' that discusses the strategic relationship betwe…

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To Pixar and Beyond
Laurence Levy

The host mentions 'To Pixar and Beyond' to provide insights into Steve Jobs' approach to building companies through t…

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Entrepreneurs and investors interested in IPO strategiesEntrepreneurs and creatives interested in innovationEntrepreneurs and business leadersEntrepreneurs and business leaders interested in innovationIndividuals interested in animation and entrepreneurshipBusiness professionals and animation industry enthusiasts

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Warning About the Difficulty of IPOs cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and investors interested in IPO strategiesOften cited around Pixar IPO preparation

Lawrence contacts the guy who wrote the book, Warning About the Difficulty of IPOs, film companies. Hal Vogel was now managing director and senior analyst of entertainment, media, and gaming at Cowan & Company.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and investors interested in IPO strategies
Key quote: Companies that combine great story, technology breakthroughs, and seasoned management will lead the way into the future.
The host discusses the strategic considerations behind Pixar's IPO and highlights insights from Hal Vogel's book on the challenges of going public. Vogel's perspective reinforces the unique position Pixar held in the market, blending technology and storytelling, which gave confidence to the team preparing for the IPO.
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Creativity Inc
Ed Catmull
Best for Entrepreneurs and creatives interested in innovationOften cited around Pixar's creative process

A book that goes into detail about the actual building of Pixar from a creative angle, referenced in relation to the early days of Pixar.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and creatives interested in innovation
Key quote: I highly recommend reading that book if you haven't done so already and definitely going back and listening to that podcast.
The host mentions 'Creativity Inc' as a crucial resource for understanding Pixar's creative and production processes. They highlight the book's insights into the tensions between creativity and business survival that shaped Pixar's success.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around Steve Jobs' early challenges

A book published a year earlier that critiques Steve Jobs' behavior and business practices.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: I think every entrepreneur should read it because it is all about the 13 years, it's Steve jobs, wilderness years.
The host mentions 'Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing' to highlight the struggles and failures Steve Jobs faced during his early years after leaving Apple. The book provides valuable insights into Jobs' mistakes and the lessons that can be learned from them, making it essential reading for entrepreneurs.
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Driven from Within
Michael Jordan
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around entrepreneurial intensity

The closest thing we're going to get to an autobiography is called driven from within. Michael Jordan said, I'm not so dominant that I can't listen to creative ideas from other people.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: Successful people listen, those who don't listen, don't survive long.
The host mentions 'Driven from Within' to highlight the importance of listening and collaboration in leadership, as exemplified by Michael Jordan's approach. This insight parallels the experiences shared about Steve Jobs, emphasizing that successful leaders engage in intense discussions while valuing input from others.
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becoming Steve jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leaders interested in innovationOften cited around Steve Jobs and Pixar

It comes from becoming Steve jobs. The evolution of a reckless upstart. I think I covered this back on like founders number 19. It is a book. I definitely have to reread.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders interested in innovation
Key quote: Pixar was embarked on a lonely, courageous quest through terrain into which neither it nor anyone else had ever ventured.
The host discusses the challenges and risks faced by Pixar during its early days, highlighting the importance of mentorship and strategic thinking. The mention of 'Becoming Steve Jobs' serves to illustrate the unique journey of Pixar and the insights gained from studying the animation industry.
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Best for Individuals interested in animation and entrepreneurshipOften cited around Pixar's creative process

This is like the fax machine and telephone world. Lawrence is waiting on calls to figure out, they have a good idea. It's like, what is your, I think it's the Friday.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in animation and entrepreneurship
Key quote: So Pixar, the very first Pixar movie is toy story.
The host mentions 'Toy Story' as the first computer-animated feature film to illustrate Pixar's groundbreaking achievements in animation. They emphasize the importance of understanding both the creative and business aspects of Pixar's success, referencing the book 'Creativity Inc.' for deeper insights.
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Best for Business professionals and animation industry enthusiastsOften cited around Disney and Pixar negotiations

Larry Ellison discusses Disney as one of the greatest companies ever created, highlighting its valuable assets during the internet bubble.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business professionals and animation industry enthusiasts
Key quote: Larry says, this is just again, Disney is one of the greatest companies that's ever been created.
The host highlights a chapter from 'The Billionaire and the Mechanic' that discusses the strategic relationship between Pixar and Disney during a crucial negotiation period. The insights from Larry Ellison's perspective on Disney's strengths provide a deeper understanding of the dynamics at play in the animation industry.
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To Pixar and Beyond
Laurence Levy
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leaders interested in company buildingOften cited around Steve Jobs and Pixar

My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History, discussed as the main book of focus in the podcast.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders interested in company building
Key quote: And the reason I started with that is because the author of the book that I'm going to talk to you about today, which is To Pixar and Beyond, My Unlikely Journey with Steve Jobs to Make Entertainment History, written by Laurence, is Levy.
The host mentions 'To Pixar and Beyond' to provide insights into Steve Jobs' approach to building companies through the lens of Pixar's early history. The book offers a unique perspective on the strategic and business decisions that contributed to Pixar's success.
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Best for Readers interested in business leadership and personal dedication.Often cited around Sydney Harmon autobiography

The autobiography of Sydney Harmon discusses his feelings for the company he worked on for almost 50 years, which resonates with the role John Lasseter plays in Pixar.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in business leadership and personal dedication.
Key quote: The autobiography of Sydney Harmon discusses his feelings for the company he worked on for almost 50 years.
The host briefly mentions Sydney Harmon's autobiography to highlight his long-term dedication to his company. This connection is drawn to illustrate a similar commitment seen in John Lasseter's role at Pixar.
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The Founders
Jimmy Sony
Best for Listeners interested in Silicon Valley history and entrepreneurship.Often cited around Steve Jobs and Pixar

The story of PayPal and the entrepreneurs who shaped Silicon Valley, mentioned as a footnote in the discussion about Steve Jobs.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in Silicon Valley history and entrepreneurship.
Key quote: That is The Founders, the story of PayPal and the entrepreneurs who shaped Silicon Valley, and it was written by Jimmy Sony.
The host mentions 'The Founders' as a footnote to illustrate the interconnected stories of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs. This reference serves to highlight the broader context of Steve Jobs' influence and the entrepreneurial landscape during that era.
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the founder
Amos Elon
Best for Listeners interested in Silicon Valley history and entrepreneurshipOften cited around Steve Jobs and Pixar

The podcast references a previous discussion about the importance of the founder in a company's success.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in Silicon Valley history and entrepreneurship
Key quote: That is an excerpt, not from the book that I'm going to talk to you about today, but a book I did two podcasts ago on episode number 233.
The host mentions 'The Founders' as a footnote to illustrate the interconnected stories of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, particularly in relation to Steve Jobs. This reference serves to highlight the broader context of innovation and company creation during that era.
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Best for Individuals interested in the history of Pixar and entrepreneurshipOften cited around Steve Jobs and Pixar

The excerpt mentions the George Lucas biography in relation to Steve Jobs and Pixar.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in the history of Pixar and entrepreneurship
Key quote: The reason he had to sell it is because he was actually going through a divorce.
The host mentions the 'George Lucas Biography' to highlight the backstory of Pixar's founding and its financial struggles. This context serves to illustrate the challenges Steve Jobs faced when he took over Pixar and the significance of Lucas's decision to sell the company.
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Warning About the Difficulty of IPOs
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Companies that combine great story, technology breakthroughs, and seasoned management will lead the way into the future.
Creativity Inc
Founders · 3:46
I highly recommend reading that book if you haven't done so already and definitely going back and listening to that podcast.
Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing
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I think every entrepreneur should read it because it is all about the 13 years, it's Steve jobs, wilderness years.
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Warning About the Difficulty of IPOs cover
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Warning About the Difficulty of IPOs
Hal Vogel

The host discusses the strategic considerations behind Pixar's IPO and highlights insights from Hal Vogel's book on the challenges of going public.…

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Creativity Inc
Ed Catmull

The host mentions 'Creativity Inc' as a crucial resource for understanding Pixar's creative and production processes. They highlight the book's ins…

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Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing
Randall Stross

The host mentions 'Steve Jobs and the Next Big Thing' to highlight the struggles and failures Steve Jobs faced during his early years after leaving…

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Movies & Documentaries Mentioned

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Steamboat Willie

Confidence: 90%

In 1928 Disney released a short black and white cartoon that changed the course of animation, this is Steamboat Willie.

Movie

Toy Story

Confidence: 100%

Toy Story is the very first computer animated feature film ever made.

Movie

Beauty and the Beast

Confidence: 80%

What if we run a model it's like okay what if in our current deal let's assume that Toy Story winds up performing as well as Beauty and the Beast.

Movie

Total Recall

Confidence: 80%

There is a line in Arnold Schwarzenegger's autobiography, Total Recall, that is referenced in the discussion.

Movie

Snow White

Confidence: 90%

Disney sold 28 million copies of Snow White. That's insane.

Movie

Aladdin

Confidence: 80%

Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and the Lion King were among the most profitable films of all time.

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The Lion King

Confidence: 80%

Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and the Lion King were among the most profitable films of all time.