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#248 John D. Rockefeller (Titan)

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#248 John D. Rockefeller (Titan) mentions Titan, The Life of John D. Rockefeller by Ron Chernow, The House of Morgan by Chernow, Conspiracy by Ryan Holiday, and biography of William Randolph Hearst with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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I think it's too important of a book to understand the history of entrepreneurship to not redo again.

He saw competition as a destructive, inefficient force.

Conspiracy
Ryan Holiday

he wasn't the sort to persist in a flawed situation

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What I learned from reading Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller by Ron Chernow. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- [2:15] Rockefeller trained himself to reveal as little as possible [4:22] Once Rockefeller set his mind to something he brought awesome powers of concentration to bear. [4:44] My whole life has been spent trying to teach people that intense concentration for hour after hour can bring out in people resources they didn’t know they had. —Edwin Land [9:00] When playing checkers or chess, he showed exceptional caution, studying each move at length, working out every possible countermove in his head. "I'll move just as soon as I get it figured out," he told opponents who tried to rush him. "You don't think I'm playing to get beaten, do you?" [9:20] To ensure that he won, he submitted to games only where he could dictate the rules. Despite his slow, ponderous style, once he had thoroughly mulled over his plan of action, he had the power of quick decision. [14:49] When John was child, Bill would urge him to leap from his high chair into his waiting arms. One day he dropped his arms letting his astonished son crash to the floor. Remember, Bill lectured him, never trust anyone completely. Not even me. [15:32] The Chief: The Life of William Randolph Hearst by David Nasaw (Founders #145) He didn't care what people thought of him and despised society. [16:13] Rockefeller analyzed work, broke it down into component parts, and figured out how to perform it most economically. [18:49] He was a confirmed exponent of positive thinking. [19:10] Rockefeller was the sort of stubborn person who only grew more determined with rejection. [25:14] Rockefeller wasn't one to dawdle in an unprofitable concern. His career had few wasted steps, and he never vacillated when the moment ripened for advancement. [26:20] He's constantly praising adversity in early life as giving him strength to deal with all the stuff he had to deal with later on his life. [26:49] Pulitzer: A Life in Politics, Print, and Power by James McGrath Morris. (Founders #135) He was so industrious that he became a positive annoyance to others who felt less inclined to work. [27:17] Your future hangs on every day that passes. [36:13] If it is of critical importance to your business you have to do it yourself. [36:42] In-N-Out Burger: A Behind-the-Counter Look at the Fast-Food Chain That Breaks All the Rules by Stacy Perman. (Founders #244) [38:36] He would never experience a single year of loss. [39:30] Two quotes from Charlie Munger: The wise ones bet heavily when the world offers them that opportunity. They bet big when they have the odds. And the rest of the time, they don't. It's just that simple. Poor Charlie's Almanack: The Wit and Wisdom of Charles T. Munger. (Founders #90) You should remember that good ideas are rare—when the odds are greatly in your favor, bet heavily. Tao of Charlie Munger: A Compilation of Quotes from Berkshire Hathaway's Vice Chairman on Life, Business, and the Pursuit of Wealth With Commentary by David Clark (Founders #78) [41:03] He's gonna to have a massive advantage over other people who only wanted to book short-term profits. [42:01] The Clarks were the first of many business partners to underrate the audacity of the quietly calculating Rockefeller, who bided his time as he figured out how to get rid of them. [44:27] He's super frugal on one end of the spectrum. Extremely frugal! Not going to let his business waste a penny. But he's also —on the very other end of the spectrum— willing to spend and to borrow and to go big. I will borrow every single dollar the banks will give me. He is the weird combination of extreme frugality and extreme boldness. [46:08] Conspiracy: Peter Thiel, Hulk Hogan, Gawker, and the Anatomy of Intrigue by Ryan Holiday (Founders 31) On that day his partners “woke up and saw for the first time that my mind had not been idle while they were talking so big and loud,” he would say later. They were shocked. They’d seen their empire dismantled and taken from them by the young man they had dismissed. Rockefeller had wanted it more. [47:13] On that day his partners “woke up and saw for the first time that my mind had not been idle while they were talking so big and loud,” he would say later. They were shocked. They’d seen their empire dismantled and taken from them by the young man they had dismissed. Rockefeller had wanted it more. [47:37] He would never again feel his advancement blocked by shortsighted, mediocre men. [48:16] From this point forward, there would be no zigzags or squandered energy, only a single-minded focus on objectives that would make him both the wonder and terror of American business. [48:38] Random Reminiscences of Men and Events by John D. Rockefeller. (Founders #148) We devoted ourselves exclusively to the oil business and its products. That company never went into outside ventures, but kept to the enormous task of perfecting its own organization. [55:02] He always kept plentiful cash reserves. He won many bidding contests simply because his war chest was deeper. [55:46] Alexander the Great: The Brief Life and Towering Exploits of History's Greatest Conqueror--As Told By His Original Biographers by Arrian, Plutarch, and Quintus Curtius Rufus. (Founders #232) [1:05:37] Twenty-nine-year-old John D. Rockefeller demanded that seventy four-year-old Commodore Vanderbilt, the emperor of the railroad world, come to him. This refusal to truckle, bend, or bow to others, this insistence on dealing with other people on his own terms, time, and turf, distinguished Rockefeller throughout his career. [1:11:07] The House of Morgan: An American Banking Dynasty and the Rise of Modern Finance by Ron Chernow. (Founders #139) [1:14:16] This is the investment opportunity of a lifetime and they're running in the opposite direction. [1:23:37] His master plan was to be implemented in a thousand secret, disguised, and indirect ways. [1:26:37] I have ways of making money you know nothing about. [1:30:59] You don't have any ambition to drive fast horses, do you? [1:32:59] Risk Game: Self Portrait of an Entrepreneur by Francis Greenburger. (Founders #243) [1:34:42] He was now living a fantasy of extravagant wealth and few people beyond the oil business had ever even heard of him. [1:35:33] Big Brown: The Untold Story of UPS by Greg Niemann. (Founders #192) [1:36:00] American high society in the 20th century would be loaded with descendants of those refiners who opted for stock. [1:39:02] Enzo Ferrari: Power, Politics, and the Making of an Automobile Empire by Luca Dal Monte (Founders #98) [1:39:30] Success comes from keeping the ears open and the mouth closed. [1:40:22] Do not many of us who fail to achieve big things, fail because we lack concentration-the art of concentrating the mind on the thing to be done at the proper time and to the exclusion of everything else? [1:42:31] Copy This!: How I turned Dyslexia, ADHD, and 100 square feet into a company called Kinkos by Paul Orfalea. (Founders #181) [1:42:40] Part of the Standard Oil gospel was to train your subordinate to do your job. As Rockefeller instructed a recruit, "Has anyone given you the law of these offices? No? It is this: nobody does anything if he can get anybody else to do it. As soon as you can, get some one whom you can rely on, train him in the work, sit down, cock up your heels, and think out some way for the Standard Oil to make some money.” True to this policy, Rockefeller tried to extricate himself from the intricate web of administrative details and dedicate more of his time to broad policy decisions. [1:49:50] He entered retirement just at the birth of the American automobile industry. The automobile would make John D. Rockefeller far richer in retirement than at work. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested, so my poor wallet suffers. ”— Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Titan, The Life of John D. Rockefeller
Ron Chernow

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The House of Morgan
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Conspiracy
Ryan Holiday

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biography of William Randolph Hearst

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biography of Flagler

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Rockefeller's biography

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Titan, The Life of John D. Rockefeller cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and business history enthusiastsOften cited around John D. Rockefeller's biography

This was an excerpt from the book that I reread and the one I'm going to talk to you about today, which is Titan, The Life of John D. Rockefeller by Ron Chernow.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and business history enthusiasts
Key quote: I think it's too important of a book to understand the history of entrepreneurship to not redo again.
The host emphasizes the importance of understanding John D. Rockefeller's life and character to grasp the history of entrepreneurship. They believe that 'Titan, The Life of John D. Rockefeller' is essential for anyone looking to learn about the foundations of modern business practices.
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Best for Business students and history enthusiastsOften cited around J.P. Morgan's business philosophy

The speaker references a line from 'The House of Morgan' about J.P. Morgan's view on competition as a destructive force, paralleling Rockefeller's thoughts.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business students and history enthusiasts
Key quote: He saw competition as a destructive, inefficient force.
The host discusses how J.P. Morgan viewed competition as a destructive force, similar to John D. Rockefeller's perspective. This insight, highlighted in 'The House of Morgan,' illustrates the shift towards cooperation in business practices during that era.
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Conspiracy
Ryan Holiday
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around John D. Rockefeller's business strategy

The speaker refers to a book by Ryan Holiday, describing a story about young John D. Rockefeller dealing with corrupt business partners.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: he wasn't the sort to persist in a flawed situation
The host mentions 'Conspiracy' by Ryan Holiday to illustrate the challenges Rockefeller faced with his partners and his determination to break free from their control. The book provides a compelling narrative about Rockefeller's audacity and strategic thinking in a competitive industry.
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Best for Readers interested in historical biographies and the impact of upbringing on success.Often cited around John Rockefeller's upbringing

The speaker references reading a biography of William Randolph Hearst, noting similarities in upbringing with Rockefeller.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in historical biographies and the impact of upbringing on success.
Key quote: In fact, there's a quote from that book that says he didn't care about what people thought of him and he despised society.
The host mentions the biography of William Randolph Hearst to draw parallels between Hearst's upbringing and that of John Rockefeller. Both figures were shaped by their fathers' teachings and societal perceptions, leading to a disdain for public opinion.
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Best for Business enthusiasts and history buffsOften cited around Rockefeller and Flagler partnership

The speaker refers to having read a biography of Henry Flagler, which provides insight into his formidable character and partnership with Rockefeller.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business enthusiasts and history buffs
Key quote: I just could not like they're both extremely formidable people.
The host discusses the significant collaboration between Rockefeller and Flagler, highlighting how their partnership was crucial for building a powerful business empire. The mention of the biography of Flagler serves to illustrate the depth of Flagler's character and his impact on Rockefeller's success.
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Best for Business professionals and entrepreneursOften cited around Rockefeller's business strategy

The speaker mentions having read Rockefeller's biography twice, indicating its significance in understanding his character and business acumen.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business professionals and entrepreneurs
Key quote: Rockefeller assembled like the dream team of business.
The host mentions Rockefeller's biography to illustrate the remarkable partnership between Rockefeller and Henry Flagler, highlighting their complementary skills and shared ambition. This partnership was crucial in transforming Rockefeller's vision into a powerful industrial empire, showcasing the importance of collaboration in business success.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and investorsOften cited around betting on favorable odds

The speaker quotes Charlie Munger, emphasizing the importance of betting heavily when the odds are in your favor, reflecting on the early days of the oil industry.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Entrepreneurs and investors
Key quote: The importance of betting heavily when the odds are in your favor.
The host mentions 'Poor Charlie's Almanack' to highlight a principle from Charlie Munger regarding strategic decision-making. This reference serves to illustrate the importance of taking calculated risks in business.
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The Tao of Charlie Munger cover
Best for Individuals interested in investment strategies and decision-makingOften cited around Charlie Munger's philosophy

Another quote from Charlie Munger is mentioned, highlighting the rarity of good ideas and the importance of betting heavily when the odds are favorable.

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For: Individuals interested in investment strategies and decision-making
Key quote: Another quote from Charlie Munger is mentioned, highlighting the rarity of good ideas and the importance of betting heavily when the odds are favorable.
The host briefly references 'The Tao of Charlie Munger' to illustrate Munger's perspective on the scarcity of good ideas. This mention serves to emphasize the importance of making significant bets when the conditions are right.
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Best for Listeners interested in historical biographies and entrepreneurial successOften cited around Rockefeller's early career

The speaker mentions reading a biography of Joseph Pulitzer, drawing a comparison to Rockefeller's work ethic.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in historical biographies and entrepreneurial success
Key quote: I think it's Founders number 135 if I remember correctly.
The host mentions the biography of Joseph Pulitzer to draw a parallel between Pulitzer's work ethic and Rockefeller's early struggles. It highlights how both figures faced challenges and exhibited a strong drive to succeed in their respective fields.
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Titan, The Life of John D. Rockefeller cover
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Titan, The Life of John D. Rockefeller
Ron Chernow

The host emphasizes the importance of understanding John D. Rockefeller's life and character to grasp the history of entrepreneurship. They believe…

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The House of Morgan
Chernow

The host discusses how J.P. Morgan viewed competition as a destructive force, similar to John D. Rockefeller's perspective. This insight, highlight…

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Conspiracy
Ryan Holiday

The host mentions 'Conspiracy' by Ryan Holiday to illustrate the challenges Rockefeller faced with his partners and his determination to break free…

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