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#226 Heroes: From Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar to Churchill and de Gaulle

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#226 Heroes: From Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar to Churchill and de Gaulle includes mentions of A Team of Rivals by Doris Kearns Goodwin, Heroes by Paul Johnson, Shoe Dog by Phil Knight, and The Splendid and the Vile by Eric Larson, with indexed source context and timestamps where available.

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A Team of Rivals
Doris Kearns Goodwin

Indexed context: The host mentions 'A Team of Rivals' to highlight Abraham Lincoln's moral character and leadership qualities. The book serves as a profound explorati…

Heroes
Paul Johnson

Indexed context: The host highlights Paul Johnson's book 'Heroes' to discuss the nature of heroism and the complexities surrounding historical figures like Carnegie a…

Shoe Dog
Phil Knight

Indexed context: The host mentions 'Shoe Dog' to illustrate the importance of having a strong belief in one's mission when starting a company. Phil Knight's passion f…

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What I learned from reading Heroes: From Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar to Churchill and de Gaulle by Paul Johnson. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- [0:55] I have always had a soft spot for those who speak out against the conventional wisdom and who are not afraid to speak the truth, even if it puts them in a minority of one. [1:20] 4 traits of heroes: 1. Absolute independence of mind. Think everything through yourself. 2. Act resolutely and consistently. 3. Ignore the media. 4. Act with personal courage at all times regardless of the consequences to yourself. [2:25] Churchill by Paul Johnson [2:47] Intellectuals: From Marx and Tolstoy to Sartre and Chomsky by Paul Johnson and Creators: From Chaucer and Durer to Picasso and Disney by Paul Johnson. [3:34] Founders #196 Book link: The Splendid and the Vile: A Saga of Churchill, Family, and Defiance During the Blitzby Erik Larson. “It’s slothful not to compress your thoughts.” —Churchill [4:58] They carved out vast empires for themselves and hammered their names into the history of the earth. [5:04] Each was brave, highly intelligent, and almost horrifically self-assured. [6:09] Founders #208 In the Company of Giants: Candid Conversations With the Visionaries of the Digital World "People are packaged deals. You take the good with the confused. In most cases, strengths and weaknesses are two sides of the same thing." —Steve Jobs [10:22] Alexander the Great read Homer all of his life and knew the passages by heart. It was to him, a Bible, a guide to heroic morality, a book of etiquette and a true adventure story. The Illiad and The Odyssey by Homer. [11:50] Can't Hurt Me: Master Your Mind and Defy the Odds by David Goggins [12:15] The most important factor, as always with men of action, was sheer will. [15:56] Caesar appreciated the importance of speed and the terrifying surprises speed made possible. [16:15] Founders #155 Invent and Wander: The Collected Writings of Jeff Bezos “You can drive great people by making the speed of decision making really slow. Why would great people stay in an organization where they can't get things done? They look around after a while, and they're, like, "Look, I love the mission, but I can't get my job done because our speed of decision making is too slow." [18:33] Caesar was a man of colossal energy and farsighted cunning. He aimed to conquer posterity as well as the world. [19:42] You should avoid an unfamiliar word as a ship avoids a reef. —Julius Caesar [20:55] You train an animal, you teach a person. —Sol Price [23:02] Caesar’s approach to difficulty was all problems are solvable. [24:36] Caesar was a man of exceptional ability over a huge range of activities. Among his qualities: great mental power, energy, steadfastness, a gift for understanding everything under the sun, vitality, and fiery quickness of mind. Few men have had such a combination of boldness shrewdness and wisdom. [26:30] George Washington: A Life by Ron Chernow [27:14] Founders #191 The Almanack of Naval Ravikant: A Guide to Wealth and Happiness [27:25] George Washington was a vigorous and active man, an early riser about his business all day. And by no means intellectually idle, he accumulated a library of 800 books. [29:57] The best talk on YouTube: Runnin' Down a Dream: How to Succeed and Thrive in a Career You Love [35:08] His (Washington) strategy was clear, intelligent, absolutely consistent, and maintained with an iron will from start to finish. [36:12] All that counts is survival. The rest is just words. [37:18] A lesson from the history of entrepreneurship: Why you start your company matters. Doesn’t have to be complex. A great example: Phil Knight said he started Nike because he believed if everyone got out and ran a few miles every day the world would be a better place. [42:06] Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln by Doris Kearns Goodwin [45:23] Words and the ability to weave them into webs which cling to the memory are extremely important in forwarding action. [53:01] Founders #200 Against the Odds: An Autobiography by James Dyson: This is part of my anti-brilliance campaign. Very few people can be brilliant. Those who are, rarely do anything worthwhile. You are just as likely to solve a problem by being unconventional and determined as by being brilliant. And if you can't of be unconventional, be obtuse. Be deliberately obtuse, because there are 5 billion people out there thinking in train tracks, and thinking what they have been taught to think. ---- Get access to the World’s Most Valuable Notebook for Founders at Founders Notes.com ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers." — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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A Team of Rivals
Doris Kearns Goodwin

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Heroes
Paul Johnson

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Shoe Dog
Phil Knight

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The Splendid and the Vile
Eric Larson

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Can't Hurt Me
David Goggins

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In the Company of Giants

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  • Related interests include Readers interested in leadership, history, and moral philosophy. and Readers interested in history and the concept of heroism.

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Readers interested in leadership, history, and moral philosophy.Readers interested in history and the concept of heroismAspiring entrepreneurs and business leadersReaders interested in history and effective writingIndividuals seeking motivation and personal developmentEntrepreneurs and history enthusiasts

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A Team of Rivals
Doris Kearns Goodwin
Best for Readers interested in leadership, history, and moral philosophy.Often cited around Lincoln's character and leadership

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I read a book on him, a great biography. It's by Doris Kearns Goodwin is called A Team of Rivals. I may reread it and turn it into an episode of Founders in the Future.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in leadership, history, and moral philosophy.
Indexed context: He was a good man on a giant scale.
The host mentions 'A Team of Rivals' to highlight Abraham Lincoln's moral character and leadership qualities. The book serves as a profound exploration of Lincoln's goodness and self-education, which the host believes are essential traits for effective leadership.
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Heroes
Paul Johnson
Best for Readers interested in history and the concept of heroismOften cited around cult of the entrepreneur

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The excerpt discusses the book 'Heroes' by Paul Johnson, which profiles historical figures like Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar, highlighting their traits and achievements.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in history and the concept of heroism
Indexed context: I think we appreciate heroism most if we have a tiny speck of it ourselves, which might be fanned into a flame if the wind of opportunity arose.
The host highlights Paul Johnson's book 'Heroes' to discuss the nature of heroism and the complexities surrounding historical figures like Carnegie and Rockefeller. The mention serves to emphasize the importance of independent thought and personal courage in recognizing true heroes.
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Shoe Dog
Phil Knight
Best for Aspiring entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around entrepreneurship and belief

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Why you start your company matters. And that reason doesn't have to be complex. And so I don't know why this popped into my mind or where it even came from. But in the book, Shoe Dog, Phil Knight talks about, you know, Nike's this giant.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Aspiring entrepreneurs and business leaders
Indexed context: And so he had that belief. He's like, listen, running has been a great—he even talked about, which is weird now because everybody runs, but at this time, I think this is the 1960s, if I'm not mistaken, if I have the time frame correct, and he's just like, people thought that if you go out and run, something was wrong with you.
The host mentions 'Shoe Dog' to illustrate the importance of having a strong belief in one's mission when starting a company. Phil Knight's passion for running and his simple yet profound reason for founding Nike serve as a powerful example of entrepreneurial motivation.
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Best for Readers interested in history and effective writingOften cited around traits of historical figures

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The speaker mentions 'The Splendid and the Vile' as a book they loved, which includes a quote by Churchill about compressing thoughts.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in history and effective writing
Indexed context: I always think, ever since I read that book, The Splendid and the Vile, and I love that, that's where I discovered this quote by Churchill, where he's like, it's slothful not to compress your thoughts.
The host mentions 'The Splendid and the Vile' to highlight the importance of concise and impactful writing, as exemplified by Churchill. This appreciation for great writing leads to a discussion on the traits of historical figures profiled in Paul Johnson's book 'Heroes'.
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Can't Hurt Me
David Goggins
Best for Individuals seeking motivation and personal developmentOften cited around self-belief and willpower

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The speaker mentions David Goggins' audiobook 'Can't Hurt Me' in the context of discussing Alexander the Great's extraordinary achievements.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals seeking motivation and personal development
Indexed context: He says you want to be uncommon amongst uncommon people.
The host mentions 'Can't Hurt Me' by David Goggins to illustrate the importance of self-belief and willpower, drawing parallels between Goggins' philosophy and Alexander the Great's mindset. Goggins emphasizes being 'uncommon amongst uncommon people,' which resonates with the extraordinary achievements of Alexander.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and history enthusiastsOften cited around traits of historical figures

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The speaker references 'In the Company of Giants' in relation to a quote from Steve Jobs about strengths and weaknesses being two sides of the same coin.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and history enthusiasts
Indexed context: People are packaged deals. You take the good with the confused.
The host mentions 'In the Company of Giants' to highlight the extreme traits of historical figures like Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar. This book provides insights into their personalities and how their strengths and weaknesses shaped their legacies.
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Best for Historians and military strategistsOften cited around De Gaulle's leadership style

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He published them later in a book called The Edge of the Sword. And they are an uncanny adumbration of his later role.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and military strategists
Indexed context: He published them later in a book called The Edge of the Sword.
The host discusses De Gaulle's unique personality and leadership qualities, emphasizing his intellectual approach to military strategy. The mention of 'The Edge of the Sword' highlights how De Gaulle's early lectures foreshadowed his later actions and ideas in military leadership.
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A Team of Rivals
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Indexed context: The host mentions 'A Team of Rivals' to highlight Abraham Lincoln's moral character and leadership qualities. The book serves as a profound explorati…
Heroes
Founders · 2:07
Indexed context: The host highlights Paul Johnson's book 'Heroes' to discuss the nature of heroism and the complexities surrounding historical figures like Carnegie a…
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Founders · 37:42
Indexed context: The host mentions 'Shoe Dog' to illustrate the importance of having a strong belief in one's mission when starting a company. Phil Knight's passion f…
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A Team of Rivals
Doris Kearns Goodwin

The host mentions 'A Team of Rivals' to highlight Abraham Lincoln's moral character and leadership qualities. The book serves as a profound explora…

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Heroes
Paul Johnson

The host highlights Paul Johnson's book 'Heroes' to discuss the nature of heroism and the complexities surrounding historical figures like Carnegie…

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Shoe Dog
Phil Knight

The host mentions 'Shoe Dog' to illustrate the importance of having a strong belief in one's mission when starting a company. Phil Knight's passion…

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How to Be a Tyrant

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The speaker mentions watching a series on Netflix called 'How to Be a Tyrant', which compares the common traits of historical tyrants.