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FoundersOctober 7, 2019

#92 Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon

About This Episode
What I learned from reading Fortune's Formula: The Untold Story of the Scientific Betting System That Beat the Casinos and Wall Street by William Poundstone. ---- Claude Shannon was as close to a sure thing as existed [2:53] The beginning of information theory [7:11] Project X [9:09] introduction to Ed Thorpe [15:05] using math and physics to beat Las Vegas [18:03] Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon meet [20:45] testing Thorpe’s Blackjack theory [26:00] The core of John Kelly’s philosophy of risk can be stated without math. It is that even unlikely events must come to pass eventually. Therefore, anyone who accepts small risks of losing everything will lose everything, sooner or later. The ultimate compound return rate is acutely sensitive to fat tails. [28:23] I’d be a bum in the street with a tin cup if the markets were efficient. —Warren Buffett [44:30] how Claude Shannon begins studying the stock market [46:45] Claude Shannon and Henry Singleton [48:16] why and how Ed Thorp started investing in stocks [49:49] Thorp starts a hedge fund and starts working remotely [52:49] Ed Thorp meets Warren Buffett [54:20] An acid test of Princeton/Newport’s market neutrality came in the Black Monday crash of October 19, 1987. The Dow Jones index lost 23 percent of its value in a single day. Princeton/Newport’s $ 600 million portfolio shed only about $ 2 million in the crash. Princeton Newport’s return for the year was an astonishing 34 percent. [59:36] the implosion of Long Term Capital Management [1:07:00] The thing you should do is the opposite of what you feel you should do. –Jim Clayton [1:09:10] A quote from 1738: A man who risks his entire fortune acts like a simpleton, however great may be the possible gain. — Daniel Bernoulli [1:13:00] Claude Shannon: A smart investor should understand where he has an edge and invest only in those opportunities. The methods Claude Shannon used to invest [1:17:10] ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Poor Charlie's Almanac cover

Okay, so a few weeks ago when I was reading through Poor Charlie's Almanac, I came across that paragraph.

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A Man of All Markets cover

I'm going to cover Edward Thorpe's autobiography next week. It's called A Man of All Markets.

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Beat the Dealer cover

Thorpe is credited for inventing card counting and wrote a bestselling book called Beat the Dealer that sold well over a million copies.

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Fortune's Formula cover

Thorpe titled a paper he presented at a conference Fortune's Formula, a winning strategy for blackjack, which inspired the title of Poundstone's book.

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Tycoon's War cover

The speaker references a book about Cornelius Vanderbilt, highlighting his ruthless business tactics.

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The New New Thing cover
The New New Thing
William Poundstone

William Poundstone got a draft of Hirschberg's article, which gives the most complete view of how Shannon achieved his returns.

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The Intelligent Investor cover

Warren Buffett and Munger say to only invest where you have an edge, which echoes the advice in The Intelligent Investor.

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How to Win Friends and Influence People cover

Andrew Carnegie's advice to study how the great fortunes are made echoes the principles in How to Win Friends and Influence People.

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