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#92 Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon

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Notable books mentioned: Poor Charlie's Almanac, A Man of All Markets, Beat the Dealer by Ed Thorpe, Fortune's Formula by William Poundstone

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Poor Charlie's Almanac

The host mentions 'Poor Charlie's Almanac' in the context of discussing influential thinkers like Charlie Munger and their recommendations. The hos…

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A Man of All Markets

The host mentions 'A Man of All Markets' as a follow-up to discussing Edward Thorpe's life and achievements. This book is highlighted as part of a…

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Beat the Dealer
Ed Thorpe

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#92 Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon mentions Poor Charlie's Almanac, A Man of All Markets, Beat the Dealer by Ed Thorpe, and Fortune's Formula by William Poundstone with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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What I learned from reading Fortune's Formula: The Untold Story of the Scientific Betting System That Beat the Casinos and Wall Street by William Poundstone. ---- Claude Shannon was as close to a sure thing as existed [2:53] The beginning of information theory [7:11] Project X [9:09] introduction to Ed Thorpe [15:05] using math and physics to beat Las Vegas [18:03] Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon meet [20:45] testing Thorpe’s Blackjack theory [26:00] The core of John Kelly’s philosophy of risk can be stated without math. It is that even unlikely events must come to pass eventually. Therefore, anyone who accepts small risks of losing everything will lose everything, sooner or later. The ultimate compound return rate is acutely sensitive to fat tails. [28:23] I’d be a bum in the street with a tin cup if the markets were efficient. —Warren Buffett [44:30] how Claude Shannon begins studying the stock market [46:45] Claude Shannon and Henry Singleton [48:16] why and how Ed Thorp started investing in stocks [49:49] Thorp starts a hedge fund and starts working remotely [52:49] Ed Thorp meets Warren Buffett [54:20] An acid test of Princeton/Newport’s market neutrality came in the Black Monday crash of October 19, 1987. The Dow Jones index lost 23 percent of its value in a single day. Princeton/Newport’s $ 600 million portfolio shed only about $ 2 million in the crash. Princeton Newport’s return for the year was an astonishing 34 percent. [59:36] the implosion of Long Term Capital Management [1:07:00] The thing you should do is the opposite of what you feel you should do. –Jim Clayton [1:09:10] A quote from 1738: A man who risks his entire fortune acts like a simpleton, however great may be the possible gain. — Daniel Bernoulli [1:13:00] Claude Shannon: A smart investor should understand where he has an edge and invest only in those opportunities. The methods Claude Shannon used to invest [1:17:10] ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Investors and those interested in financeListeners interested in biographies and investment strategiesIndividuals interested in gambling strategies and investment success stories.Investors and enthusiasts of behavioral financeReaders interested in historical crime and business ethicsReaders interested in financial analysis and historical perspectives.

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Best for Investors and those interested in financeOften cited around Charlie Munger's recommendations

Okay, so a few weeks ago when I was reading through Poor Charlie's Almanac, I came across that paragraph.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Investors and those interested in finance
Key quote: Charlie Munger is one of the smartest people I've ever come across, so when he recommends reading a book, it's kind of a no-brainer to just order it immediately.
The host mentions 'Poor Charlie's Almanac' in the context of discussing influential thinkers like Charlie Munger and their recommendations. The host emphasizes Munger's intelligence and the importance of following his reading suggestions.
ASIN: B0CMDK1ZHD
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A Man of All Markets cover
Best for Listeners interested in biographies and investment strategiesOften cited around biographies of influential figures

I'm going to cover Edward Thorpe's autobiography next week. It's called A Man of All Markets.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in biographies and investment strategies
Key quote: I'm going to cover Edward Thorpe's autobiography next week. It's called A Man of All Markets.
The host mentions 'A Man of All Markets' as a follow-up to discussing Edward Thorpe's life and achievements. This book is highlighted as part of a broader exploration of significant figures in investment and information theory.
ASIN: 0812979907
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Beat the Dealer cover
Best for Individuals interested in gambling strategies and investment success stories.Often cited around Ed Thorpe's blackjack theory

Thorpe is credited for inventing card counting and wrote a bestselling book called Beat the Dealer that sold well over a million copies.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in gambling strategies and investment success stories.
Key quote: He's the one that is credited for inventing card counting.
The host discusses Ed Thorpe's journey from academia to becoming a successful gambler and investor, highlighting his groundbreaking work in blackjack strategy. The mention of 'Beat the Dealer' serves to illustrate Thorpe's significant impact on gambling strategies and his eventual wealth from these theories.
ASIN: B08356KFJ7
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Fortune's Formula
William Poundstone
Best for Investors and enthusiasts of behavioral financeOften cited around investment strategies and skills

Thorpe titled a paper he presented at a conference Fortune's Formula, a winning strategy for blackjack, which inspired the title of Poundstone's book.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Investors and enthusiasts of behavioral finance
Key quote: Fortune's Formula is wildly entertaining, but it's written in a very odd and unique way.
The host mentions 'Fortune's Formula' to highlight its entertaining exploration of how certain individuals achieve above-average results in investing and betting through unique skills. The book's structure, consisting of short essays, allows for a diverse examination of these themes, particularly through the lives of Claude Shannon and Edward Thorpe.
ASIN: 0809045990
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Tycoon's War
Stephen Dando Collins
Best for Readers interested in historical crime and business ethicsOften cited around Mafia and gambling connections

The speaker references a book about Cornelius Vanderbilt, highlighting his ruthless business tactics.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in historical crime and business ethics
Key quote: Now, the reason I bring this up is because this was one of the most surprising facts in the book, is that the businesses that Willman and Manny owned together, it starts out as like really successful.
The host discusses the intertwining lives of Manny Kimmel and Willman, highlighting the dangerous world of organized crime and gambling. The mention of 'Tycoon's War' serves to illustrate the ruthless nature of powerful figures in business and their willingness to break the law to maintain their status.
ASIN: 0306818566
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The New New Thing
William Poundstone
Best for Readers interested in financial analysis and historical perspectives.Often cited around Shannon's returns analysis

William Poundstone got a draft of Hirschberg's article, which gives the most complete view of how Shannon achieved his returns.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in financial analysis and historical perspectives.
Key quote: William Poundstone got a draft of Hirschberg's article, which gives the most complete view of how Shannon achieved his returns.
The host briefly mentions 'The New New Thing' in relation to a draft article by Hirschberg. This reference highlights the comprehensive perspective it provides on Shannon's financial achievements.
ASIN: B004QZ9QV4
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The Intelligent Investor cover
Best for investors seeking foundational investment principlesOften cited around investment strategies

Warren Buffett and Munger say to only invest where you have an edge, which echoes the advice in The Intelligent Investor.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: investors seeking foundational investment principles
Key quote: Warren Buffett and Munger say to only invest where you have an edge, which echoes the advice in The Intelligent Investor.
The host mentions 'The Intelligent Investor' to highlight its alignment with Warren Buffett and Munger's investment philosophy. This reference serves to reinforce the idea of investing in areas where one has a competitive advantage.
ASIN: 0063497476
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How to Win Friends and Influence People cover
Best for Individuals interested in personal development and success strategies.Often cited around great fortunes advice

Andrew Carnegie's advice to study how the great fortunes are made echoes the principles in How to Win Friends and Influence People.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in personal development and success strategies.
Key quote: Andrew Carnegie's advice to study how the great fortunes are made echoes the principles in How to Win Friends and Influence People.
The host references Andrew Carnegie's advice, which aligns with the principles outlined in 'How to Win Friends and Influence People.' This mention serves to highlight the importance of interpersonal skills in achieving success.
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