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FoundersOct 7, 2019

#92 Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon

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#92 Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon includes mentions of Fortune's Formula by William Poundstone, Poor Charlie's Almanac, Tycoon's War by Stephen Dando Collins, and Beat the Dealer by Edward O. Thorp, with indexed source context and timestamps where available.

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Fortune's Formula
William Poundstone

Indexed context: The host mentions 'Fortune's Formula' to highlight its entertaining exploration of how certain individuals achieve above-average results in investing…

Indexed context: The host mentions 'Poor Charlie's Almanac' in the context of discussing influential thinkers like Charlie Munger and their recommendations. The host…

Tycoon's War
Stephen Dando Collins

Indexed context: The host discusses the intertwining lives of Manny Kimmel and Willman, highlighting the dangerous world of organized crime and gambling. The mention…

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What I learned from reading Fortune's Formula: The Untold Story of the Scientific Betting System That Beat the Casinos and Wall Street by William Poundstone. ---- Claude Shannon was as close to a sure thing as existed [2:53] The beginning of information theory [7:11] Project X [9:09] introduction to Ed Thorpe [15:05] using math and physics to beat Las Vegas [18:03] Ed Thorp and Claude Shannon meet [20:45] testing Thorpe’s Blackjack theory [26:00] The core of John Kelly’s philosophy of risk can be stated without math. It is that even unlikely events must come to pass eventually. Therefore, anyone who accepts small risks of losing everything will lose everything, sooner or later. The ultimate compound return rate is acutely sensitive to fat tails. [28:23] I’d be a bum in the street with a tin cup if the markets were efficient. —Warren Buffett [44:30] how Claude Shannon begins studying the stock market [46:45] Claude Shannon and Henry Singleton [48:16] why and how Ed Thorp started investing in stocks [49:49] Thorp starts a hedge fund and starts working remotely [52:49] Ed Thorp meets Warren Buffett [54:20] An acid test of Princeton/Newport’s market neutrality came in the Black Monday crash of October 19, 1987. The Dow Jones index lost 23 percent of its value in a single day. Princeton/Newport’s $ 600 million portfolio shed only about $ 2 million in the crash. Princeton Newport’s return for the year was an astonishing 34 percent. [59:36] the implosion of Long Term Capital Management [1:07:00] The thing you should do is the opposite of what you feel you should do. –Jim Clayton [1:09:10] A quote from 1738: A man who risks his entire fortune acts like a simpleton, however great may be the possible gain. — Daniel Bernoulli [1:13:00] Claude Shannon: A smart investor should understand where he has an edge and invest only in those opportunities. The methods Claude Shannon used to invest [1:17:10] ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Fortune's Formula
William Poundstone

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Poor Charlie's Almanac

The host mentions 'Poor Charlie's Almanac' in the context of discussing influential thinkers like Charlie Munger and…

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Tycoon's War
Stephen Dando Collins

The host discusses the intertwining lives of Manny Kimmel and Willman, highlighting the dangerous world of organized…

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Beat the Dealer
Edward O. Thorp

Thorpe is credited for inventing card counting and wrote a bestselling book called Beat the Dealer that sold well ove…

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The Intelligent Investor
Benjamin Graham

The host mentions 'The Intelligent Investor' to highlight its alignment with Warren Buffett and Munger's investment p…

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The New New Thing
William Poundstone

The host briefly mentions 'The New New Thing' in relation to a draft article by Hirschberg. This reference highlights…

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A Man of All Markets
Edward O. Thorp

I'm going to cover Edward Thorpe's autobiography next week. It's called A Man of All Markets.

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  • Referenced books include Fortune's Formula by William Poundstone and Poor Charlie's Almanac.
  • Related interests include Investors and enthusiasts of behavioral finance and Investors and those interested in finance.

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Fortune's Formula
William Poundstone
Best for Investors and enthusiasts of behavioral financeOften cited around investment strategies and skills

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Thorpe titled a paper he presented at a conference Fortune's Formula, a winning strategy for blackjack, which inspired the title of Poundstone's book.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Investors and enthusiasts of behavioral finance
Indexed context: Fortune's Formula is wildly entertaining, but it's written in a very odd and unique way.
The host mentions 'Fortune's Formula' to highlight its entertaining exploration of how certain individuals achieve above-average results in investing and betting through unique skills. The book's structure, consisting of short essays, allows for a diverse examination of these themes, particularly through the lives of Claude Shannon and Edward Thorpe.
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Best for Investors and those interested in financeOften cited around Charlie Munger's recommendations

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Okay, so a few weeks ago when I was reading through Poor Charlie's Almanac, I came across that paragraph.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Investors and those interested in finance
Indexed context: Charlie Munger is one of the smartest people I've ever come across, so when he recommends reading a book, it's kind of a no-brainer to just order it immediately.
The host mentions 'Poor Charlie's Almanac' in the context of discussing influential thinkers like Charlie Munger and their recommendations. The host emphasizes Munger's intelligence and the importance of following his reading suggestions.
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Tycoon's War
Stephen Dando Collins
Best for Readers interested in historical crime and business ethicsOften cited around Mafia and gambling connections

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The speaker references a book about Cornelius Vanderbilt, highlighting his ruthless business tactics.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in historical crime and business ethics
Indexed context: Now, the reason I bring this up is because this was one of the most surprising facts in the book, is that the businesses that Willman and Manny owned together, it starts out as like really successful.
The host discusses the intertwining lives of Manny Kimmel and Willman, highlighting the dangerous world of organized crime and gambling. The mention of 'Tycoon's War' serves to illustrate the ruthless nature of powerful figures in business and their willingness to break the law to maintain their status.
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Beat the Dealer
Edward O. Thorp
Best for Individuals interested in gambling strategies and investment success stories.Often cited around Ed Thorpe's blackjack theory

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Thorpe is credited for inventing card counting and wrote a bestselling book called Beat the Dealer that sold well over a million copies.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in gambling strategies and investment success stories.
Indexed context: He's the one that is credited for inventing card counting.
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The Intelligent Investor cover
Best for investors seeking foundational investment principlesOften cited around investment strategies

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Warren Buffett and Munger say to only invest where you have an edge, which echoes the advice in The Intelligent Investor.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: investors seeking foundational investment principles
Indexed context: Warren Buffett and Munger say to only invest where you have an edge, which echoes the advice in The Intelligent Investor.
The host mentions 'The Intelligent Investor' to highlight its alignment with Warren Buffett and Munger's investment philosophy. This reference serves to reinforce the idea of investing in areas where one has a competitive advantage.
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The New New Thing
William Poundstone
Best for Readers interested in financial analysis and historical perspectives.Often cited around Shannon's returns analysis

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William Poundstone got a draft of Hirschberg's article, which gives the most complete view of how Shannon achieved his returns.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in financial analysis and historical perspectives.
Indexed context: William Poundstone got a draft of Hirschberg's article, which gives the most complete view of how Shannon achieved his returns.
The host briefly mentions 'The New New Thing' in relation to a draft article by Hirschberg. This reference highlights the comprehensive perspective it provides on Shannon's financial achievements.
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A Man of All Markets
Edward O. Thorp
Best for Listeners interested in biographies and investment strategiesOften cited around biographies of influential figures

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I'm going to cover Edward Thorpe's autobiography next week. It's called A Man of All Markets.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in biographies and investment strategies
Indexed context: I'm going to cover Edward Thorpe's autobiography next week. It's called A Man of All Markets.
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Fortune's Formula
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Poor Charlie's Almanac
Founders · 0:37
Indexed context: The host mentions 'Poor Charlie's Almanac' in the context of discussing influential thinkers like Charlie Munger and their recommendations. The host…
Tycoon's War
Founders · 34:55
Indexed context: The host discusses the intertwining lives of Manny Kimmel and Willman, highlighting the dangerous world of organized crime and gambling. The mention…
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Fortune's Formula cover
Mentioned at 26:11
Fortune's Formula
William Poundstone

The host mentions 'Fortune's Formula' to highlight its entertaining exploration of how certain individuals achieve above-average results in investi…

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Poor Charlie's Almanac cover
Mentioned at 0:37
Poor Charlie's Almanac

The host mentions 'Poor Charlie's Almanac' in the context of discussing influential thinkers like Charlie Munger and their recommendations. The hos…

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Mentioned at 34:55
Tycoon's War
Stephen Dando Collins

The host discusses the intertwining lives of Manny Kimmel and Willman, highlighting the dangerous world of organized crime and gambling. The mentio…

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