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#179 Jeff Bezos

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Notable books mentioned: Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson, The Everything Store, Jeff Bezos in the Age of Amazon by Brad Stone, Amazon Unbound by Brad Stone, Turning on Bright Minds by Julie Ray

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The Everything Store, Jeff Bezos in the Age of Amazon
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#179 Jeff Bezos mentions Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson, The Everything Store, Jeff Bezos in the Age of Amazon by Brad Stone, Amazon Unbound by Brad Stone, and Turning on Bright Minds by Julie Ray with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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What I learned from The Everything Store: Jeff Bezos and the Age of Amazon by Brad Stone. This is part one of a three part series on Jeff Bezos. The next two books are Working Backwards: Insights, Stories, and Secrets from Inside Amazon and Amazon Unbound: Jeff Bezos and the Invention of a Global Empire. ---- (0:54) It may very well be that the absolute intensity of drive and focus is essential and incompatible with all of the nice management thought about consensus and gentle demeanor.(2:07) Jeff’s clarity, intensity of focus, and ability to prioritize is unusual.(4:05) As I read the Steve Jobs biography I even had an insight and question about myself, that maybe I haven’t begun to really find my own limits.(10:49) You have to be able to think what you're doing for yourself. (11:42) There is probably no limit to what he can do. (12:34) People forget that most people believed Amazon was doomed because it would not scale at a cost structure that would work. It kept piling up losses. It lost hundreds of millions of dollars. But Jeff was very smart. He’s a classic technical founder of a business, who understands every detail and cares about it more than anyone.(13:45) Bezos has proved quite indifferent to the opinions of others. (13:58) Bezos is extremely difficult to work for. (15:58) Amazon's internal customs are deeply idiosyncratic. (16:15) He is highly circumspect about deviating from well established, very abstract talking points. (18:08) The financial community knew very little about D. E. Shaw, and its polymath founder wanted to keep it that way. (20:15) Jeff was not concerned about what other people were thinking. (20:26) Bezos had closely studied several wealthy businessmen. (21:13) Bezos was disciplined and precise. (22:14) Bezos seemed to love the idea of the nonstop workday. (22:23) The rest of Wall Street saw D. E. Shaw as a highly secretive hedged fund. David Shaw didn't view the company as a hedge fund but as a versatile technology laboratory who could apply computer science to different problems. (25:51) Web activity had grown that year by 230,000%. Things just don't grow that fast Bezos said. It's highly unusual and that started me thinking what kind of business might make sense in the context of that growth? (31:59) He swept me off my feet. He was so convinced that what he was doing was basically the work of God and that somehow the money would materialize. The real wild card was, could he really run a business? That wasn’t a gimme. Of course, about two years later I was going, Holy shit, did we back the right horse!(34:05) Bezos plowed through them at a rapid clip, looking for someone with the same low regard for the usual way of doing things that Bezos himself had.(34:46) Bezos looked right at Schultz and told him We are going to take this thing to the moon!(35:16) Jeff was always a big believer that disruptive small companies could triumph. (35:55) I think you are underestimating the degree to which established companies will find it hard to be nimble or to focus attention on a new channel. (36:45) I brought him very bad news about our business and he got excited. (37:28) I think our company is undervalued. The world just doesn't understand what Amazon is going to be. (39:30) Bezos had imbibed Walton's book thoroughly and wove Walmart's founder's credo about frugality and a bias for action into the cultural fabric of Amazon. (44:54) We were all running around the halls with our hair on fire thinking What are we going to do? But not Jeff. I have never seen anyone so calm in the eye of a storm. Ice water runs through his veins. (53:20) Bezos met Jim Sinegal, the founder of Costco. Sinegal explained the Costco model to Bezos. It was all about customer loyalty. I think Jeff looked at it and thought that was something that would apply to his business as well. Sinegal doesn’t regret educating an entrepreneur who would evolve into a ferocious competitor. I’ve always had the opinion that we have shamelessly stolen any good ideas. (57:45) Perhaps Amazon’s founder realized he owed Sinegal a debt of gratitude, because he took the lessons he learned during that coffee in 2001 and applied them with a vengeance.(59:37) He just never stopped believing. He never blinked once. (1:00:09) Slow steady progress can erode any challenge over time.(1:01:40) Communication is a sign of dysfunction. It means people aren’t working together in a close, organic way. We should be trying to figure out a way for teams to communicate less with each other, not more.(1:04:43) Like a warlord leaving the decapitated heads of his enemies on stakes outside his village walls, he was using the mounts as a symbol, and as an admonition to employees about how not to behave.(1:06:29) I want you to understand that from this day forward, you are not bound by the old rules.(1:12:46) I think the thing that blindsided Jeff and helped with the Kindle was the iPod, which overturned the music business faster than he thought.(1:14:27) Bezos is not tethered by conventional thinking. What is amazing to me is that he is bound only by the laws of physics. He can’t change those. Everything else he views as open to discussion.(1:15:01) Bezos learned that Zappos was advertising on the bottoms of the plastic bins at airport-security checkpoints. They are outthinking us! he snapped at a meeting.(1:16:15) Companies that make things and companies that sell them have waged versions of this battle for centuries.(1:19:04) Every anecdote from a customer matters. We research each of them because they tell us something about our metrics and processes. It’s an audit that is done for us by our customers. We treat them as precious sources of information. ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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Steve Jobs
Walter Isaacson
Best for Readers interested in leadership and innovationOften cited around leadership style comparison

She was reading the Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson and was thinking about how Bezos' leadership style compared to the late Apple co-founder's famously direct demeanor.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in leadership and innovation
Key quote: I found myself thinking about what it takes to accomplish things as big as they both did, when a lot of what you are doing is unconventional.
The host mentions the book 'Steve Jobs' to highlight how Joy Covey was reflecting on leadership styles while reading it. She draws parallels between Jeff Bezos' approach and Steve Jobs' direct demeanor, suggesting that intense focus is crucial for unconventional success.
ASIN: B07ZMKXMTG
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The Everything Store, Jeff Bezos in the Age of Amazon cover
Best for Founders, investors, managers, college studentsOften cited around Jeff Bezos and Amazon

That is an excerpt from the book that I just reread, which is The Everything Store, Jeff Bezos in the Age of Amazon, and was written by Brad Stone.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Founders, investors, managers, college students
Key quote: If I had to choose one, if I was absolutely forced, and obviously there's tons of useful information that we're learning in these books, but if I had to answer what is the single most insightful biography I've ever read, it would be this book.
The host emphasizes the importance of the book 'The Everything Store' as a source of insights into Jeff Bezos's leadership and Amazon's corporate culture. They mention rereading it to prepare for the sequel and highlight its value for anyone looking to improve in their professional life.
ASIN: B09CQ8D53J
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Amazon Unbound
Brad Stone
Best for Founders, investors, managers, college studentsOften cited around Rereading influential biographies

Two, it's a great book. Three, it's a great book. Four, it's a great book. I think the books should be reread because the book stays the same, but you change. And I've read, what, 160-something biographies of entrepreneurs since then. And two, because Brad Stone, the author, is writing a sequel. He's releasing a sequel to this book. It's called Amazon Unbound.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Founders, investors, managers, college students
Key quote: I think this book is absolutely necessary for anybody that wants to improve, whether you're a founder, investor, manager, college student, whatever the case is, you should read the book.
The host emphasizes the importance of rereading impactful books, particularly highlighting 'The Everything Store' as a crucial biography for understanding entrepreneurship. With the upcoming release of 'Amazon Unbound,' the host believes that insights from these books are essential for anyone looking to improve in their professional lives.
ASIN: B08V9DZZHG
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Best for Parents and educators interested in gifted educationOften cited around impact of biographies

So Ray called him Tim. Tim, Julie Ray wrote in her book, Turning on Bright Minds, A Parent Looks at Gifted Education in Texas, was a student of general intellectual excellence, friendly but serious.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Parents and educators interested in gifted education
Key quote: And that's why I constantly encourage you to read as many of these biographies as you can, because you will have questions and insights about yourself by reading and learning the life stories of others.
The host emphasizes the importance of reading biographies, particularly how they can lead to personal insights and self-reflection. This discussion leads to the mention of Julie Ray's book, which explores gifted education and its impact on creativity and independence in children.
ASIN: B0006CTR1A
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The Hobbit
J.R.R. Tolkien
Best for Parents and educators interested in fostering creativity in childrenOften cited around impact of reading

He was not particularly gifted in leadership, according to his teachers, but he moved confidently among his peers and articulately extolled the virtues of the novel he was reading at the time, which is The Hobbit by Tolkien.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Parents and educators interested in fostering creativity in children
Key quote: Tim also showed Ray a science project he was working on called an infinity cube, which is a battery-powered contraption that created an optical illusion of an endless tunnel.
The host mentions 'The Hobbit' as part of a discussion about a gifted student named Tim who was reading it at a young age. This reference highlights how reading can influence creativity and independent thinking in children.
ASIN: B08C8XFQMN
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Best for Business professionals and educators interested in innovative strategiesOften cited around Amazon business strategies

But in the interim, I had just finished reading Working Backwards. It's a new book that was just released by two of senior Amazon leaders.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business professionals and educators interested in innovative strategies
Key quote: It's a new book that was just released by two of senior Amazon leaders.
The host mentions 'Working Backwards' to highlight the unique strategies employed by Amazon, particularly in their meeting culture. This book provides insights into the operational tactics that have contributed to Amazon's success, which parallels the educational strategies observed in the gifted education program discussed.
ASIN: 1529033845
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around ideas and tools

I always say this is something I learned from Charlie Munger's, Poor Charlie's Almanac book that you should look at ideas like tools.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: I always say this is something I learned from Charlie Munger's, uh, Poor Charlie's Almanac book that you should look at ideas like tools.
The host mentions 'Poor Charlie's Almanac' to highlight the importance of viewing ideas as tools rather than personal identities. This perspective encourages adaptability and the willingness to embrace better options as they arise.
ASIN: B0CMDK1ZHD
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Best for entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around influence of Sam Walton

Bezos probably spent $10 on this book. And those ideas, it's not hyperbolic to say, those ideas made him billions.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: Bezos had imbibed Walton's book thoroughly and wove the Walmart's founder's credo about frugality and bias for action into the cultural fabric of Amazon.
The host discusses how Jeff Bezos was inspired by Sam Walton's autobiography, 'Sam Walton Made in America,' and applied its principles to Amazon's culture. The book's ideas on frugality and a bias for action significantly influenced Bezos's approach to leadership and business strategy.
ASIN: 0345538447
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Best for Business leaders and aspiring entrepreneursOften cited around Bill Campbell's influence

It's called Trillion Dollar Coach. There will be an episode on it soon.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business leaders and aspiring entrepreneurs
Key quote: There's a book that a misfit recommended to me. It's called Trillion Dollar Coach.
The host discusses how Bill Campbell, mentioned in 'Trillion Dollar Coach', played a crucial role in guiding Jeff Bezos during a tumultuous time at Amazon. The book highlights Campbell's unique ability to help executives confront their shortcomings and improve their leadership skills.
ASIN: 1473675987
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Best for Founders, investors, managers, college studentsOften cited around Rereading impactful biographies

The excerpt mentions a bonus episode for a book entitled 'The Everything Store', which discusses Jeff Bezos and Amazon's strategies.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Founders, investors, managers, college students
Key quote: If I had to choose one, if I was absolutely forced, and obviously there's tons of useful information that we're learning in these books, but if I had to answer what is the single most insightful biography I've ever read, it would be this book.
The host emphasizes the importance of rereading 'The Everything Store' as it offers profound insights into entrepreneurship and leadership. They believe that the book remains relevant as readers evolve and gain new perspectives over time.
ASIN: B00FJFJOLC
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Best for Readers interested in space exploration and entrepreneurship.Often cited around rocket companies strategies

The book covers the different strategies Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are using to accomplish similar goals, which is the building of their rocket companies.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in space exploration and entrepreneurship.
Key quote: The book covers the different strategies Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are using to accomplish similar goals, which is the building of their rocket companies.
The host discusses the contrasting approaches taken by Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk in their pursuit of space exploration. This comparison highlights the innovative strategies outlined in 'The Space Barons'.
ASIN: B0GL4P41C6
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The Mythical Man-Month
Frederick Brooks
Best for managers and project leadersOften cited around management philosophy influence

The book argues that adding manpower to complex projects actually delayed progress, which influenced Bezos's management philosophy.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: managers and project leaders
Key quote: The book argues that adding manpower to complex projects actually delayed progress, which influenced Bezos's management philosophy.
The host discusses how 'The Mythical Man-Month' presents the idea that increasing manpower on complex projects can hinder rather than help progress. This concept has notably shaped Jeff Bezos's approach to management.
ASIN: 0201835959
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The Goal
Eliyahu M. Goldratt
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around intensity of drive and focus

The book instructs manufacturers to focus on maximizing the efficiency of their biggest bottleneck, which is a principle Bezos subscribes to.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: I had to wonder if that intensity isn't an essential element when so much of what you want to do requires boldness, immediacy, ruthless prioritization, and risk.
The host reflects on the unconventional approaches of successful figures like Jeff Bezos and Steve Jobs, emphasizing the importance of intensity and focus in achieving significant goals. This leads to a mention of 'The Goal' as a relevant framework for understanding these dynamics in business.
ASIN: 0884271951
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Creation
Steve Grand
Best for Business leaders and innovatorsOften cited around Amazon's creative infrastructure

The book helped to crystallize the debate over the problems with the company's own infrastructure and was widely discussed among Amazon's executives.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Business leaders and innovators
Key quote: If Amazon wanted to stimulate creativity among its developers, it shouldn't try to guess what kind of services they might want.
The host discusses how Jeff Bezos was influenced by the book 'Creation' by Steve Grand, which emphasizes the importance of designing simple building blocks to foster creativity. This approach helped shape Amazon's development of AWS by encouraging a flexible and innovative environment for developers.
ASIN: 0674011139
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How Buildings Learn
Stewart Brand
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around Amazon's product development strategy

Bezos showed his personal copy of this book filled with notes, indicating his deep engagement with the material.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: Oh, I really hope you read this book. It's fantastic.
The host mentions 'How Buildings Learn' to illustrate how Jeff Bezos applied concepts from the book to build AWS and stimulate creativity among developers. The book's insights on flexibility and scalability resonated with Bezos's vision for Amazon's infrastructure.
ASIN: 0140139966
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