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#169 David Ogilvy (The King of Madison Avenue)

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#169 David Ogilvy (The King of Madison Avenue) mentions The score takes care of itself by Bill Walsh, The King of Madison Avenue by Kenneth Roman, Blood, Brains, and Beer, and Confessions of an Advertiser with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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One of the most influential books it's talked about over and over again is Bill Walsh's. The score takes care of itself.

This biography, the first, aims to provide that perspective and impart a sense of his quotable brilliance.

Reading that short autobiography is like having dinner with a charming raconteur.

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What I learned from reading The King of Madison Avenue: David Ogilvy and the Making of Modern Advertising by Kenneth Roman. ---- One characteristic of geniuses, said Einstein, is they are passionately curious. Ogilvy’s great secret was an inquiring mind.In conversation, he never pontificated; he interrogated. There were piles of books all over his house, most about successful leaders in business and government. He was interested in how they used their leadership. How they made their money. He was interested in people — people who had accomplished remarkable things. Reading Ogilvy’s short autobiography is like having dinner with a charming raconteur. His Scottish grandfather is portrayed as cold — hearted, formidable, and successful — and his hero. When you write a book about advertising, you’re competing with midgets. When you write an autobiography, you’re competing with giants. He took the occasion to remind everyone that he was not a big shot at school. I wasn’t a scholar. I detested the philistines who ruled the roost. I was an irreconcilable rebel — a misfit. In short, I was a dud. Fellow duds, take heart! There is no correlation between success at school and success in life. If you can’t advertise yourself, what hope do you have of being able to advertise anything else? Although he entered advertising to make money, Ogilvy had become interested — obsessively interested — in the business itself. He said he had read every book that had been written on the subject, and, as a young man, had reason to believe he would be good at it and would enjoy it. Since American advertising was years ahead of advertising anywhere else, he decided to study the trade where it was done best. Nobody, at any level, should be allowed to have anything to do with advertising until he has read this book seven times (Scientific Advertising by Claude Hopkins). Every time I see a bad advertisement, I say to myself, “The man who wrote this copy has never read Claude Hopkins.” In print, it should lead with a headline that offers a consumer benefit. Often it should rely on long text packed with facts. “The more you tell, the more you sell,” as he would later preach. David also learned something about writing from his time in the intelligence service. Stephenson was a master of the terse note. Memos to him were returned swiftly to the sender with one of three words written at the top of the page: YES, NO, or SPEAK, meaning to come see him. Here Ogilvy describes himself as of the day he started the agency: “He is 38 and unemployed. He dropped out of college. He has been a cook, a salesman and a diplomat. He knows nothing about marketing and has never written any copy. He professes to be interested in advertising as a career and is ready to go to work for $5,000 a year. I doubt if any American agency will hire him. Like De Gaulle, he felt that praise should be a rare commodity lest you devalue the currency. He had a near psychopathic hatred of laziness in all its forms. He was the least lazy person I have ever encountered. His advertising philosophy was shot through with intolerance of sloth. Lazy people accept mediocrity, which he hated. You cannot bore people into buying. Committees can criticize advertisements, but they cannot create them. Compromise has no place in advertising. Whatever you do, go the whole hog. You can’t save souls in an empty church. American Express built its business in part with an effective direct mail letter that started: “Quite frankly, the American Express Card is not for everyone.” I am a lousy copywriter. But a good editor. My crusade is in favor of advertising which sells. My war cry is: “We Sell. Or Else.” This has been my philosophy for 50 years, and I have never wavered from it, no matter what the temptations have been. Be happy while you’re living, for you’re a long time dead. ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast
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The score takes care of itself
Bill Walsh

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The King of Madison Avenue
Kenneth Roman

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Blood, Brains, and Beer

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Confessions of an Advertiser

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The House of Morgan

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The Hour of Fate

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The score takes care of itself cover
Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around importance of small details

One of the most influential books it's talked about over and over again is Bill Walsh's The score takes care of itself.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: One of the most influential books it's talked about over and over again is Bill Walsh's. The score takes care of itself.
The host mentions Bill Walsh's book to emphasize the significance of focusing on the small details in any endeavor. This philosophy aligns with Ogilvy's experiences in both the kitchen and his later career, illustrating that excellence comes from meticulous attention to every task.
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The King of Madison Avenue cover
Best for Individuals interested in advertising and leadershipOften cited around David Ogilvy's legacy

This biography, the first, aims to provide that perspective and impart a sense of his quotable brilliance.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in advertising and leadership
Key quote: This biography, the first, aims to provide that perspective and impart a sense of his quotable brilliance.
The host mentions 'The King of Madison Avenue' to highlight the significance of David Ogilvy's contributions to advertising and leadership. This biography provides insights into Ogilvy's unique personality and his impact on the industry, making it a valuable read for anyone interested in his work.
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Best for Anyone interested in advertising, leadership, or personal development.Often cited around David Ogilvy's autobiography

He actually wrote an autobiography, Blood, Brains, and Beer. This is going to give you an insight into just the eclectic.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Anyone interested in advertising, leadership, or personal development.
Key quote: Reading that short autobiography is like having dinner with a charming raconteur.
The host mentions 'Blood, Brains, and Beer' to highlight the eclectic nature of David Ogilvy's life and the insights he provides in his autobiography. The book serves as a window into Ogilvy's upbringing and the influences that shaped his formidable character.
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Best for Readers interested in advertising and autobiographiesOften cited around David Ogilvy's autobiography

It's interesting that the autobiography did not sell, considering that that book sold like crazy.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in advertising and autobiographies
Key quote: When you write an autobiography, you're competing with giants.
The host mentions 'Confessions of an Advertiser' in the context of discussing David Ogilvy's autobiography and its lack of sales compared to Ogilvy's other successful works. This comparison highlights the challenges of writing autobiographies in a competitive literary landscape.
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Best for Listeners interested in business history and influential figuresOften cited around David Ogilvy's influences

And then one was The House of Morgan, which is like the most famous biography of the Morgan family.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in business history and influential figures
Key quote: I think I've done two podcasts on J.P. Morgan. One was The Hour of Fate, which is the beef he has with Teddy Roosevelt.
The host mentions 'The House of Morgan' as a notable biography that provides insight into the Morgan family's legacy, which David Ogilvy's grandfather admired. This reference highlights the importance of J.P. Morgan's principles in shaping Ogilvy's business philosophy.
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The Hour of Fate cover
Best for Listeners interested in advertising history and influential business figures.Often cited around David Ogilvie's influences

One was The Hour of Fate, which is the beef he has with Teddy Roosevelt.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in advertising history and influential business figures.
Key quote: One was The Hour of Fate, which is the beef he has with Teddy Roosevelt.
The host mentions 'The Hour of Fate' while discussing David Ogilvie's grandfather and his influence on Ogilvie's career. This reference highlights the connection between Ogilvie's entrepreneurial spirit and the historical context of J.P. Morgan's business practices.
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The score takes care of itself
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One of the most influential books it's talked about over and over again is Bill Walsh's. The score takes care of itself.
The King of Madison Avenue
Founders · 1:59
This biography, the first, aims to provide that perspective and impart a sense of his quotable brilliance.
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Reading that short autobiography is like having dinner with a charming raconteur.
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The score takes care of itself cover
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The score takes care of itself
Bill Walsh

The host mentions Bill Walsh's book to emphasize the significance of focusing on the small details in any endeavor. This philosophy aligns with Ogi…

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The King of Madison Avenue cover
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The King of Madison Avenue
Kenneth Roman

The host mentions 'The King of Madison Avenue' to highlight the significance of David Ogilvy's contributions to advertising and leadership. This bi…

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Blood, Brains, and Beer cover
Mentioned at 4:56
Blood, Brains, and Beer

The host mentions 'Blood, Brains, and Beer' to highlight the eclectic nature of David Ogilvy's life and the insights he provides in his autobiograp…

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