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#40 Insisting On The Impossible: The Life of Edwin Land and Instant: The Story of Polaroid

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Notable books mentioned: Insisting on the Impossible by Edwin Land, Instant, the story of Polaroid by Christopher Bananos, Becoming Simple, the biography of Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson

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Edwin Land

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Christopher Bananos

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#40 Insisting On The Impossible: The Life of Edwin Land and Instant: The Story of Polaroid mentions Insisting on the Impossible by Edwin Land, Instant, the story of Polaroid by Christopher Bananos, Becoming Simple, and the biography of Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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What I learned from reading Insisting On The Impossible: The Life of Edwin Land and Instant: The Story of Polaroid --- If you dream of something worth doing and then simply go to work on it, and don’t think anything of personalities, or emotional conflicts, or of money, or of family distractions; if you just think of, detail by detail, what you have to do next, it is a wonderful dream. [0:01] Edwin Land was a pioneer whose inventions were dismissed, and yet he created a great company by dint of pure stubbornness. [2:33] He [Steve Jobs] didn't yet have the skills to build a great company, but he admired those who had pulled it off and he would go to great lengths to meet them and learn from them. [3:03] Steve admired many things about Land: his obsessive commitment to creating products of style, practicality, and great consumer appeal. His reliance on gut instinct rather than consumer research and the restless obsession and invention he brought to the company he founded. [4:07] Recounting his life is a meditation on the nature of innovation. [5:15] We use bull’s eye empiricism. We try everything but we try the right things first. [6:06] Land clearly did not wish to waste his powers on me too innovations [6:34] Don’t do anything that someone else can do. Don’t undertake a project unless it is manifestly important and nearly impossible. [6:55] He held that the business of business was something different, making things that people didn’t know they wanted until they were available. [7:26] He thought and acted on a large stage. [8:34] Over and over he talked about his obsessions: autonomy, learning, education, vision, perception, the mind, and the mining of exhausted veins of knowledge for new gold. [9:14] Land on the problem with formal education: A student would get a message that a secret dream of greatness is a pipe dream. That it would be a long time before he makes a significant contribution, if ever. [13:18] From this day forward, until the day you are buried, do two things each day. First master a difficult old insight and second, add some new piece of knowledge to the world. [17:12] Edwin Land on perseverance: I was totally stubborn about being blocked. Nothing or nobody could stop me from carrying through the execution of the experiments. [18:04] Edwin Land on the difference between individuals and groups: Intelligent men in groups are —as a rule—stupid. [18:15] There's a rule they don't teach you at Harvard business school. It is, if anything is worth doing it's worth doing to excess. [20:02] Steve Jobs expressed his deep admiration for Edwin Land, calling him "a national treasure". [23:33] Steve Jobs: I always thought of myself as a humanities person as a kid, but I liked electronics. Then I read something that one of my heroes, Edwin Land of Polaroid, said about the importance of people who could stand at the intersection of humanities and sciences. And I decided that's what I wanted to do. [24:27] A shareholder asked Land about his goals when he had been a great student: I wanted to become the world’s greatest novelist and I wanted to become the world’s greatest scientist. [35:40] Inventors sometime experience a fevered paranoia just after they had a great idea. It seems so clear and burns so bright that they are sure someone else will come up with the same thing at any moment. [41:56] Land had suggested that Polaroid might be able to sell 50,000 cameras per year, far more than anyone else imagined possible. It turned out that even the visionary had low balled himself. By the time the product was retired in 1953, 900,000 units had been sold. [46:27] My point is that we created an environment where a man was expected to sit and think for two years. Not was allowed to, but was expected to. [49:25] My whole life has been spent trying to teach people that intense concentration for hour after hour can bring out in people resources they didn't know they had. [51:53] If the product was right, not just economically, but also morally and emotionally, the selling would take care of itself. Marketing is what you do if your product's no good. [59:45] Walt Disney: We are innovating. I’ll let you know the cost when we are done. [1:00:28] Kodak got him all wrong. Kodak terribly miscalculated his personality. One of the reasons he put his heart and soul into the lawsuit was that he was outraged. Land said: We took nothing from anybody. We gave a great deal to the world. The only thing keeping us alive is our brilliance. The only thing that keeps our brilliance alive is our patents. [1:04:36] ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. 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Best for Individuals interested in innovation and the lives of influential figures in technology.Often cited around Edwin Land's influence on Jobs

The speaker mentions this book while discussing the life of Edwin Land and how it relates to Steve Jobs.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in innovation and the lives of influential figures in technology.
Key quote: So I'm going to use a lot of information from this book, Insisting on the Impossible.
The host mentions 'Insisting on the Impossible' to highlight the significant impact Edwin Land had on Steve Jobs. By exploring Land's life and work, the host aims to draw parallels between the two innovators and their approaches to creativity and business.
ASIN: 0738201901
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Instant, the story of Polaroid cover
Best for Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and innovation historyOften cited around Edwin Land and Polaroid

The speaker refers to this book in the context of Edwin Land and Polaroid's history.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and innovation history
Key quote: any story about Polaroid is incomplete without Edwin Land because they were very much the same thing.
The host mentions 'Instant, the story of Polaroid' to highlight the integral connection between Edwin Land and the Polaroid brand. This book provides valuable insights into Land's innovations and his influence on figures like Steve Jobs.
ASIN: 1616890851
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Becoming Simple cover
Best for Readers interested in the influences on Steve Jobs and entrepreneurial inspiration.Often cited around Edwin Land's influence on Jobs

The speaker mentions this book as a source of stories about Edwin Land.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in the influences on Steve Jobs and entrepreneurial inspiration.
Key quote: I'm also going to pull out some Edwin Land stories from Becoming Simple.
The host mentions 'Becoming Simple' as part of the broader discussion on Edwin Land and his impact on Steve Jobs. It serves as a resource to understand the qualities that Jobs admired in Land, although the focus is primarily on other works.
ASIN: B09C7QQ1X2
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Best for Entrepreneurs and innovatorsOften cited around Steve Jobs' influences

The speaker mentions this biography while discussing Steve Jobs and his influences.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and innovators
Key quote: Steve clearly learned from him.
The host mentions the biography of Steve Jobs to highlight the significant influence Edwin Land had on Jobs' development as a visionary leader. By studying Jobs' life, listeners can gain insights into the parallels between Jobs and Land's approaches to innovation and entrepreneurship.
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Becoming Steve Jobs
Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli
Best for Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and innovationOften cited around Steve Jobs' influences

The speaker discusses this book as one of the best reads on Steve Jobs.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and innovation
Key quote: I think that's one of the best one sentence descriptions of him that I've seen.
The host emphasizes the importance of understanding Edwin Land's influence on Steve Jobs, highlighting how Land's pioneering spirit and stubbornness shaped Jobs' approach to innovation. The book 'Becoming Steve Jobs' is presented as a valuable resource for exploring these connections and insights into Jobs' evolution as a leader.
ASIN: B00R8IC37K
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around self-reliance in business

This part reminded me a lot, if you listen to the podcast I did on the book Space Barons, and I think the one I did in the Everything Store on Jeff Bezos as well, talks about Jeff Bezos' admiration for his grandfather.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: I think the best two-word description is relentlessly resourceful is the way I've heard it put.
The host mentions 'Space Barons' to illustrate Jeff Bezos' admiration for self-reliance, particularly as it relates to his grandfather's influence. This ties into the broader theme of how successful innovators embody relentless resourcefulness in problem-solving.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and business leadersOften cited around self-reliance in business

This part reminded me a lot, if you listen to the podcast I did on the book Space Barons, and I think the one I did in the Everything Store on Jeff Bezos as well, talks about Jeff Bezos' admiration for his grandfather.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and business leaders
Key quote: I think the best two-word description is relentlessly resourceful is the way I've heard it put.
The host mentions 'The Everything Store' to highlight Jeff Bezos' admiration for self-reliance, particularly as it relates to his grandfather's influence. This theme of self-reliance is tied to the broader discussion of successful company builders and their resourcefulness in problem-solving.
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Steve Jobs
Walter Isaacson
Best for Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and innovationOften cited around Steve Jobs' influences

This paragraph happens to be from Jobs' biography by Isaacson, where Jobs reflects on his and Edwin Land's experiences in product creation.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in entrepreneurship and innovation
Key quote: But there's this one sentence that, well, I'm going to read it.
The host discusses the significant influence of Edwin Land on Steve Jobs, highlighting how Jobs admired Land's pioneering spirit and stubbornness. The mention of Walter Isaacson's biography of Steve Jobs serves to provide a deeper understanding of Jobs' character and inspirations.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and innovators interested in the history of photography and technology.Often cited around Edwin Land and Polaroid

The discussion shifts back to the book on Polaroid, focusing on Edwin Land's philosophy and the company's operations.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and innovators interested in the history of photography and technology.
Key quote: And then I'm also going to pull out some Edwin Land stories from Becoming Simple.
The host discusses the significant influence of Edwin Land on Steve Jobs, highlighting the connection between Land's work with Polaroid and Jobs' entrepreneurial journey. The mention of the book 'Instant' emphasizes the importance of understanding Land's contributions to photography and innovation.
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Best for Entrepreneurs and innovators in product developmentOften cited around Edwin Land's perfectionism

This quote was in the book last week that Bob Thomas wrote, which was, we are innovating. I'll let you know the cost when we are done.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Entrepreneurs and innovators in product development
Key quote: We are innovating. I'll let you know the cost when we are done.
The host discusses Edwin Land's perfectionism in product development, drawing parallels to Walt Disney's approach. This leads to a mention of Bob Thomas's book, which encapsulates the idea of prioritizing quality over cost in innovation.
ASIN: 0397011954
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Best for Listeners interested in innovation and patent lawOften cited around patent trial between Kodak and

It's all about the battle over the patent trial between Kodak and Polaroid.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Listeners interested in innovation and patent law
Key quote: There's an entire other book. I think the title is called The Triumph of Genius.
The host mentions 'The Triumph of Genius' to highlight the significant patent battle between Kodak and Polaroid, which is a crucial part of Edwin Land's story. This reference serves to underscore the competitive nature of innovation and the importance of patents in protecting intellectual property.
ASIN: 1333297165
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